Russian Su-57 was called the “loser” among F-35 and F-22

The fifth-generation Russian fighter aircraft was named for losers.

According to the Russian edition of "," referring to the data of the magazine "The Aviationist", the fifth-generation Russian fighter Su-57 is an unsuccessful clone of the American F-22 and F-35. The prospects of the Russian aircraft, according to experts, is absent as such.

"The plane is considered by many analysts as a kind of clone F-22 and F-35 with many flaws and does not correspond to the design tasks" - the words of the specialists of the Russian edition.

The foreign edition itself notes that a number of countries have already refused to buy Russian Su-57, indicating that Russian aircraft manufacturers failed, noting that the survivability of the Russian fighter should not even be talked about.

“F-22 and F-35 are designed to be used by the US Air Force for offensive and defensive purposes in contested airspaces, penetrating integrated air defense systems (IADS) and air and ground targets with minimal detection risk and maximum survivability. Russian aircraft, it seems, adheres to a different philosophy ", - notes "The Aviationist».

Earlier, Russian experts did recognize the Su-57’s lag behind the American F-22 and F-35 in terms of speed and low visibility, however, noted at the same time a much greater maneuverability of a combat aircraft. Nevertheless, given the rapid wear and tear of the stealth covering of American fighters, the latter are obviously unlikely to use this advantage.

Well, the same thing must be written ...

So the price did not suit. Corporations have little money ... and they also need cuts for their own.

Lord Again, "enemies" from the envy of the slop pour on "OUR".
Burst from poison.

Come on! Here, on the news, it passed that on the 31 product, the Su-57 engine had already made 2017 flights with 16.

Yes, they simply came up with garbage again to combine both a fighter and a bomber attack aircraft in one plane, and, of course, partially copied from others, using a bunch of technologies in one. No wonder Smart people in the USSR divided the development of military aircraft into two directions into a fighter and attack bomber, because the functions are different and one machine cannot do everything. You compare the MiG and Su, starting with the size of the aircraft and ending with flight characteristics and weapons !!!

The USSR fought constantly and continuously. What ended in Vietnam, read the Paris Agreement. Have you heard about Afghanistan? And about Chechnya? And now?

it’s visible that you were collecting those planes. And it turned out that I didn’t go to school, and the planes are shit. And how many planes did the USSR receive under Lend-Lease? And why did our Pokryshkins shoot down the Germans precisely on their planes, and not on those that the children collected?

So he is a submariner ....

Kuzya is not an aircraft carrier, if you don’t even understand this, why do you leave your stupid comments?

For some reason, our aircraft carrier Kuzya, the most aircraft carrier in the world.

F-35 is a delivery vehicle.
F-22 - able to conduct an air battle, but with a long list of restrictions.
The principle of their application is ...
Gouging everything you can with cruise missiles, and then f-35, accompanied by f-22, will inflict a couple of missile control launches without entering the enemy’s air defense range.
When reading about the capabilities of F22 and F35, I always ask one and the same question what the Shtatovites did not like with F16, which can do the same for smaller headstock.

There was nothing strange here and no. This writer is exactly the same “expert” as the ballerinas and I are ...

Come on. That's just the same F-15, they shot down Mig-29 at a time?!? Go and spit in the face of that student of Solzhenitsyn, who told you all these fables. If you’ve invented it yourself, then just lift your face up and spit ... And not a single NATO aircraft popped into Yugoslavia, as long as missile and artillery strikes destroyed not only missile defense aircraft, but all air defense systems. Only a few invisible sorties were completed. But after the ancient Soviet air defense system, an even more ancient rocket bombarded the latest American super stealth aircraft. Which, like the last F-22 or F-35 advertised to the whole world, such sorties immediately stopped ...

Naturally lying. The speeds are the same only formally. Because the Su-57 has not yet flown on its engines, but flies only on modernized engines from the Su-27. Moreover, even at close at maximum speeds, American aircraft can only fly for a very limited time. Otherwise, the fuel simply runs out or the engine is not designed for such modes.

Quote: "Earlier, Russian experts really recognized the lag of the Su-57 from the American F-22 and F-35 in terms of speed and low visibility."
- Similar conclusions are complete bullshit as well as the experts making them. Because the Su-57 has never flown on its own engines. Until now, he has only used Su -27 engines or their upgraded prototypes. But even on modernized prototypes, he not only was not inferior to American irons but also surpassed them both in speed and in efficiency. And the new Su-57 engines with which these planes are about to be equipped now will be even more powerful and more economical.
The same applies to the Su-57 "stealth plan." Several Su-57 have been tested in Syria for more than two weeks, where they not only made night sorties but also militant positions, but also secretly escorted military aircraft of Turkey, Israel and NATO, zealously recording their parameters in all flight modes. Including in the phase of combat use. Moreover, no one has ever found them. Neither ground stations nor airborne stations of all types of aircraft, including reconnaissance and monitoring aircraft. And the competent authorities of the United States and NATO, learned about this fact from an amateur video of a peaceful Syrian, who was specially slipped by him. And no matter how much they claim that their radars did not have specific data on the parameters of new Russian aircraft, all this is nonsense for idiots of a preschool age. Since already in the 80 years of the last century, reconnaissance satellites were well able to collect such intelligence directly from the orbit of the earth. And the tests of the Su-57 were never hidden from anyone, they took place almost in open mode. Therefore, the data they had. But they could not detect the Su-57. Then this article in the American "The Aviationist", as well as its remarks in the local or other yellow press, do not deserve even a second of your attention.

Do not cover the Union, and with it Russia?

Yes, it’s some kind of Troll-nonsense ... can you read it?

And who said that this dol .... th SU-57 needed to fly, and not to cut the dough?

He walked past and go, or you start to open your mouth. For chewing gum and worn jeans, I’m ready to substitute the fifth point.

And it is a reality.

Yeah, as a result, the Pindos lost 5 to 1 planes in Korea, and 20 to 1 in Vietnam compared to Soviet times. It’s not coming to an end, but the dying ukronazist reservation Banderstat is jumping, and Russia was and will be.

In practice, just pendosy in the vast majority of cases lose. only win against those who are against them with slingshots. And even then, it happens that these boys are also drained ...

Andrey, I think that would be right! It would be better if his father sat in the downed Migu before his birth (conception). In an extreme case, it was not worth saving this victim after an abortion, as a result of which “it” was born.

Oh-oh-oh, is certainly the most authoritative source. Not a minute, so as not to run into Russia and everything connected with it.'s prices for running into Russia have been known since time immemorial; these are 30 silver coins ...

But Dima Bivol, the intercontinental boxing champion, defeated both Clarkson and Agnew (both the USA), although the rivals' gloves were more expensive and better and their underpants were brighter ...

For the most part our children collected our tanks and planes during the war, therefore, the quality suffered, and we always defend ourselves, which means we hit the last and the loss. And all because we didn’t want war when and therefore almost when we weren’t ready for it. If you didn’t stand on ceremony with all this belligerent wade that is now gathering around us again and all about peace and protection are talking. Yes, give them all that would not be going to the borders. in general, all those with an angelic gaze and pa superiority with a machine gun got it. And I also understand that it’s pointless to explain to all of you anyway

Andrei, what if your father had sat in the downed Mig before your birth?

The practice eventually brought down more Soviet MIG aircraft that under the USSR that under the Russian Federation on television is flourishing, the Russian Federation is on the path of the USSR would rather have reached the same

to simulate aerial combat - always, but in real combat - vice versa. The fact that Pakistani F-16 shot down the Indian MIG-21 is okay, aircraft of different generations, but the fact that in Yugoslavia the F-15 shot down the MIG-29 at a time is already more serious

The classic \ U. Lenin said well to me for 70t and on this score \ here he should be given his due "If the enemy praises you, then you somewhere allowed a breach on the defensive and if you scolds it means the comrades are on the right track. And thanks to how some write bad planes that Vietnam showed worse than the Americans, or on an equal footing, or more of them fell. Therefore, I lived in a peaceful country and I very much wish that for future generations of Russians.

Yes, in general, according to "passing", it is time to abandon the production of Russian systems in any direction, but the main thing is to abandon the production of these same "passing" from the word completely !!!

And what about the EW in the Su-57? And do smart rockets come with it? F-35 can also be a slow-moving one, but with advanced electronics and radars + good rockets. But historically, we had complete trash with electronics and software, but in fact there are no smart rockets (I shot and forgot), those that are there are not, unfortunately, close to the Americans. Therefore, no one needs all these speeds and maneuverability nafig, they will see you trite earlier and put out a rocket, when the rocket arrives at you, the F-35 pilot will already drink coffee at the airport! = (((I personally do not believe in all these attempts, if we are corny to build a good car, not in a state where cheeks blow to the 5-th generation of advanced aircraft.

Can I clarify? Why should the Russian Aerospace Forces have to fit in for some private mercenaries? Um ... Amer hollowed out the regular army of the Russian Federation?

Given the losses of the Red Army in the Second World War, the statement of Suvorov refers to the Germans! Whatever the tanks of the Wehrmacht, but they were more comfortable, better and their losses were many times lower than the Soviet ones. I’m generally frostbite like you! You repeat the Germans MRI machine, ultrasound, cars or at worst the road, and then open your mouth!

Chibis, before writing this, take an interest in how the armament for export differs from the armament supplied to the troops inside the country.

Why is everything selling out? And C-500? The mess.

Since enemies and competitors scolded and belittled and overshadowed the dignity of our Su-57 in every possible way, it means that the aircraft is classy, ​​unparalleled. To all those who are vicious about the qualities of our Su-57 and want to make sure that I am right, I recommend that you read the article "F-22 and F-35 vs PAK FA (Su-57)" ( By the way, there is also information that in the 2014 year the Australian analytical center "Air Power Australia" published a multi-page report on the evaluation of 5-generation aircraft with a final table on the 14 evaluation criteria. The result of the assessment was indicated by points. F-22 Raptor received a plus 2 score, PAK FA (Su-57) - plus 5, and the latest F-35 - score minus 8 points.

A cow does not need a third horn, and a fool does not need an extra mind.

Yeah, take more - to lie like that! ))) Not 300, but 30 thousand, three divisions!

We are building everything! And housing and aircraft (both military and civilian!).

100% - Svidomo noted! To what extent their brains are stamped, that they are recognizable from the first words! And ISIS, your favorites and hope - almost everything has been destroyed, and if the United States didn’t feed them, then there would be no spirit left from them ...

Already called twice called? Well then, the truth is definitely true.

The author is lying. Max Speed ​​f-22 -2.25 Mach,
at SU-57- 2,5Maha.

yes it was, only those pilots who participated in the slaughter died under a strange set of circumstances)))

Yes, according to recent events, the cowardly is the army of Ukraine and the fucking too

F-35 is a de facto modernization of the F-22 in order to reduce the cost of the aircraft, because The raptor is very expensive.
Does F-35B have 70% of yak-141? it’s nothing more than a wet fabrication of propaganda.

dolb ... igil in the same place where he was .. and rosguano in Aiska hollowing civilians as your bastard cheap and cowardly army always did ...

build housing and airplanes

Su-57 can be considered as a counter-stealth fighter, designed to get as close as possible to enemy invisible aircraft before their attack. Moreover, according to the infographic published by the United Aircraft Corporation, the main weapons that are going to equip the Su-57 are capable of long-range shooting, and some even have stealth functions, which means that the role of the aircraft can be to get as close as possible to air defense systems and carry out retaliatory attacks.

The glider seems to have good potential. The prototypes showed continuous development with further improvements in systems and a decrease in the signature of RCS and IR. After all these considerations, we can expect the Su-57 to be a tough opponent for the F-22 and F-35 if they ever cross their flight paths. This is a translation of part of the article verbatim, about loser and no losers. The author is sick and has no conscience.

Everything is exactly the opposite - F-35 do not want to buy, and nobody sells SU-57

But did the Su-57 meet in an aerial battle with the F-22 that such an opinion appeared among idiots?

Yes gentlemen, everything is bad, just awful, where is the prisoner ??? Himself not funny?

Russia is now selling everything .. even C-400 to potential enemies and allies in NATO ... Russia belongs to a bunch of Putin oligarchs and they are loot more expensive than some kind of Russia .. it is for them a colony for money ... all innovations are being sold to China .. the truth they refuse some ..

"Refusal of a number of countries to purchase Su-57"?
But did they really intend to sell it to someone?
India participated in a joint development project, but it’s not quite Su-57 - the Indians were not allowed to enter it, therefore they were "offended". Well, the fact that F-35 percent of 70 copies Yak-141 and you can not remember at all, as well as the "childhood diseases" still plaguing not only F-35, but also discontinued F-22.

God does not give a horny cow to a cow, and a fool does not give reason

Boriska, where did you learn to lie like that ?!

In the competition, any methods are good! )))

Absolutely right! Moreover, NOBODY knows the real performance characteristics of the Su-57 ... It seems that these guys calm themselves! )))

Everything is correct Seryoga. You need a single fight and group do. Like in a tank biathlon. And then let the experts compare.

The armor is strong and our tanks are fast?)). Comrade in modern nuclear war, coverage is not useful!
Like a bunker! A vigorous winter will erase idiots in the dust ....

Then Amer’s question sat in Syria with the ISIS coalition rapidly developing, we came, where is ISIS? Boris, you're wrong.

did not pay a single cookie =). This is a copy-paste of some Pindos article. Like "NI" has distinguished itself.

Well, that’s how we got it from Afghans. In Syria, did our people have only copies? THAT THERE WERE DISAPPOINTED QUICKLY AND WITHOUT LOSING ANY OF YOUR SOLDIER. THAT IT SEEMS TO ME ALL THUS WE NEED TO LEARN TO FIGHT IN A NEW way. WE FORGOT THE LESSONS OF THE WWII. AND THAT AS YOU HAVE ALL AS MANY WARS ON THE AMERICAN AIRCRAFT. I DO NOT HAVE OUR PLANES. BUT these electronics that they think no need to stuff a lot of mind guess what in our time MAINLY winning the one who used to locate enemies .A locate enemies without options AMERIKANSKITSY SAMOLET.ZNACHIT we need YOUR ELECTRONICS DEVELOP build factories to buy from them .A MACHINES SO IT IS WRONG TO PARIOTICALLY WRONG. WE ALREADY WERE ONE WARNING SOMETHING BECAUSE OF THE CAP.



Judging by such pearls that SU-57 is inferior to F22 and F35 in speed, the article was written by an incompetent person, they added more garbage to the Network.

Many years ago, during the next Indo-Pakistan conflict, Pakistan managed to capture one (?) Soviet fighter. The Americans, naturally, became interested. "Run" it took Chuck Yeager himself. The first training battle: Yeager in American, the other pilot in Russian. Yeager won. Second flight: Yeager in Russian, another pilot in American. Yeager defeated again.

Draw your own conclusions. :-)

everything is as always .... just to bark at the command for a cookie. at the time of the Second World War .... Wehrmacht tanks .. uuuuh silisha what was .. so what? Where are they. and the Soviet T-34 on the podium. and in general .. Suvorov also said ... "you need to fight not by numbers but by skill .... here we will learn to fight ... while in Syria.

Have you paid much for this advertisement? Percentage then on the sale of Lockheed Martin promised? Or so a hundred bucks and that's all?

there is nothing like leather.
It’s regrettable that so many sub-bosses divorced in the Russian media

The clearest example of unfair competition. SU-57 is not yet mass-produced, and it is already buried. This means only one thing that he is an order of magnitude superior to American shitty junk. There is nothing more to talk about.

you saw a sofa fighter a lot

All training and demonstration flights in the framework of international exercises to simulate air combat between the American F-15 and MiGs, in 90% ended in victory for the Russian pilots, although before that, all the media also spoke about the superiority of American technology. Read the war chronicle!

In the years of friendship, American pilots came to our regiment ... praised their equipment to a squeal in their voices ... then our comedian offered to put an end to the dispute and meet with full ammunition in the air ... Americans were blown away immediately

Training battle - theory. And theoretically, Moskvich-412 can beat Ford Mustang, but the reality is that in practice American technology always wins. To those Boleevs, give an example of 30 years ago, when they flew without digital technology.

Only the battle can show which aircraft is better, but judging by the fact that the NATO countries do not want to participate in army games, they obviously understand that their much-praised equipment is behind the Russian and Chinese ones.

We saw how the Americans and the Russian aerospace forces are fighting in Syria. The Russians themselves ditched dozens of airplanes and drove down the Turks and shepherds of camels without help, and the Americans mixed two hundred Russian mercenaries with shit and the Russian aerospace squad sat tail-tail.

When Germany collapsed in the GDR, Mig 29 remained, So he won 4 battle (training) from 5. The Americans.

Regular liberal "specialists", on command from the west, make their "competent" custom-made vysers. Chef, everything was lost! American pilots themselves said that there are no and were no 5 generation aircraft in the USA, neither by standards nor by reliability, and that they themselves noticed how their F-22 and F-35 were quietly fixed by Russian radar stations, yes and in general they are just scared to fly them! And they are simply admired by the Russian SU-57!

Well, why wag your tongue? Maybe Russia in response to such a statement should invite the Americans to arrange a demonstration battle of two fighters with good pilots on both sides. the result of the battle or the rejection of it will show not only the capabilities of the selected devices, but also the correctness of the chosen aircraft construction concept.

They lie. Our planes are better.

the Yankees are only nimble in a straight line, no maneuverability, losers.

Those detractors of the whole of Russia were gouging. For a handout, the American mother is screaming. They would have been specialists, otherwise the mongrels of the local bottling ....

Citizens to evaluate you need to know what you're talking about. Well, let's start with the fact that phantoms are not visible; citizens do not exist; "invisible" speed is what? At what height does it have with it ,! And then the citizens, the main thing people are the pilot !!!! And I don’t even want to discuss stupid things, well, let the flies take off from the aircraft carrier, you don’t even have to sow the sow, -rack the deck, damage all the take-off planes are lost! American planes are good when you need to drive monkeys in the trees and there was nothing but copies on the ground. if the airfield on the earth is perfect, if you damage the GDP then everything doesn’t sit down — corpses the plane is lost fuel will not reach anywhere. I saw these phantoms, but what’s the difference? Faster, but the rockets are now different, yes and radar friend e !!! If someone let the snot on the made in USA that even in Vietnam from the Vietnamese got the best tomatoes, moreover, if memory serves 25 years there koryachilis !!!!

And I like the panic of our "partners"! Looks like a really good device turned out with us!

If the West praises something, then this is really shit. And if he criticizes, it means that he is on the right track.

The Russian Su-57 was called called the "loser" among the F-35 and F-22. What is the double name?

Very strange picture. Su-57 suddenly began to ascribe a cloud of flaws, but at the same time they had already passed all flight tests and entered serial production. According to the network, the speed limit of the Su-57 with the afterburner 2600 km / h, without the afterburner 2100 km / h. The same F-22 with the afterburner 2410 km / h., Without the afterburner 1963 km / h. F-35 is generally a low-speed boat, with the afterburner 1930 km / h., Without the afterburner 850 km / h. The expert did not provide these technical specifications and simply stated that the Su-57 is worse than its Western counterparts.