Do you know the exact characteristics of the Su-47? Everyone does the best for their country. And the Indians must also be thanked for so many years they have been buying everything of ours and paying, unlike other "brothers". Well, they don't like the Su-47 - and they immediately flunked it - with ungrateful blacks and so on. charms.

God, what nonsense! If at least one percent of the population thinks so, Russia is in a globe pit.

Friends! Yes, everything is going fine. This is the east, or rather the eastern market. Our put the maximum price (close to the raspiarennomu competitor), and Mr. General, changing his cap for turban with a fan, knocked down the price of questioning the quality of the goods. All right, because this miracle is still really nobody sells (we need to), but the soil is mutually prepared. So let's see - we'll see.

they just # @ # @ # @ F35 fall apart and ours is not

Bredyatina! :) It's just that the Hindus are zazhralis. They want our fighter to be better for the same money. And he's not worse ... Anyway, they have another option :) buy from Americans and compare in reality, and do not let the bubbles to chance.

Do you think the clarity of the picture is not enough? Are you looking at your cell phone in the sun?
Now imagine that you need to make a decision from you in seconds, if not fractions ... and your picture is not clear ...

Actually, I think. that Indian generals can only well understand elephants. But nothing on airplanes. Forgot when they ceased to be a colony of England? Oh, can not I hear?

yet the producer country does not know all the characteristics of suNNUMX. The flight tests of the samples have just begun. and these on the picture on the Internet all prosecle?

The main drawback is the lack of freebies.

Yes please! Let the Indian general say anything. When the time comes, and I suspect it will come, and the US and Russian planes will collide in direct confrontation, I do not even doubt that the Su-57 will be the winner at the expense of the greatest advantages and not only in maneuverability.
And good luck to the general from India! I am sure that the "salary" for his "expert opinion", he has already worked for the United States.
And I sincerely sympathize with the Indian authorities if they were led to this "statement" of their general.

We recall the classics, "The White Sun of the Desert". "East is a delicate matter". This is always a "bazaar" and the price tug of war is absolutely clear, across all positions. Where are our talented Russian "merchants"? I doubt that the West will provide them with the technology for the production of the product, as they demand from us. And those. support (spare parts) with service from them will weigh immeasurably. "Across the sea, a heifer is a half, and a ruble is transported." If we have "shoals", we must admit and quickly eliminate everything, indicating the time and price. You have to bargain and fuss, gentlemen. Look for the necessary personnel, of which there are a lot in Russia. I think the main problem is in the selection of personnel.

Alex, you're a little friend with the mind, and then put out your tyfnu. For your time tsiviliya means there will be no close battles, so only a savvy strategist can say.

What is there to discuss ??? Just look at whose edition the article is based on !!! "* Hindustan Times is an Indian daily newspaper in English. Founded in 1924 and traces its roots to the Indian national liberation movement." These are just another amerovskie ... opalis !!!

India has been buying Russian military equipment for a long time, and knows firsthand the level of quality of this equipment. During this time, the Indians have acquired experienced military experts who can objectively assess whether it is worth acquiring a particular military product. So what about the "traders" you are wrong)))

You're the ram that f-15 had only missiles, Amerecos generally crap in Korea

in India pilots are trained according to American standards, and we have a car that is only 50% of the combat unit, the remaining 50% is a pilot, our pilot is Russian! so that if the car is inferior to some characteristics, then the combat unit is twice as powerful as the American !!

F-22 they do not sell to the same. And F-35 limited-combat ready to sell, until the full functionality there is still need to buy PPC. Gypsies, just traded Hindus, otherwise do not know how.

An airplane with a cost of 100 million has practically no chance of conducting an air battle. It will be driven by lighter, both in weight and cost, "expendable" fighters. And the Su-57 is destined to shoot all its potential at a long range and blame it on reloading.

As far as I understand, India always looks at electronics, and with electronics in Russia, it's not so far. Mi 28 helicopters also did not like Indians, chose Apache, his picture in the thermal imager is clearer. And in the rest at us all with technics it is good !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Alex March 18 2018 at 18:30
Some Prigogine bots write in the comments. They compare the layout of the Su 57 with the real production aircraft F 22 and point out that our unfinished bucket is better. Tsyrk and rzhaka !!! "- Su57 has already taken part in the hostilities. F22 is no longer released. Apparently, they forgot how to learn, and, apparently, they never learned it.

Maneuverability-one of the main indicators of such a class of vehicles as a fighter, to escape from homing missiles (depending on what type) will help either a caterpillar or a complex of creating the kills. And about the press on the trigger, alas, the practice is fundamentally nothing changed from the times of the Great Patriotic War, everything is decided by the skill (excerpt, preparedness, combat experience and a number of the pilot's mastery) pilot))) Something like this.

It is somehow strange to compare still not flying normally f35 (and even with one engine), taken off the production of f22 and Su-57

classy answer to Alex. I'm a transport worker and then I understand the significance of maneuver in evading missiles.

It seems to me that this is another throw-in, unjustified by anything, absolutely. Indium is under the USA, and they are not annoying either. Our technology is the most reliable and effective, at its low cost in comparison with analogues.

In the USSR and the US, too, thought so, for example, the moment-21 had initially only missile weapons, but the fighting in Vietnam showed that the melee weapons are needed, since the missiles were fired, and the enemy remained and what to do with it? But here the role of maneuverability and power of weapons for close combat plays.

And you know the real characteristics of Su-57, that would be something to argue about. You flew all your life, conducted aerial battles, that you understand this. Why should everyone show their lack of competence in such matters.

Even if so primitive to reason, then Su-57 will evade the missile. And F-22 F-35 can not. In general, the Indians are strangely arguing, leading the way that Su-57 is inferior to F-22 F-35 in almost everything, but do not bring anything concrete. Where is the comparison of the characteristics of these aircraft? Let them create something themselves, or else recently they often bowed before the Americans. While F-22 F35 does not quite correspond to what is stated by the Americans

Bravo, I agree with you on 100%! I'm glad that there are people who know the story and are not afraid to speak out openly!

And how will you fight melee? Also relying on masking and detection range?

Well said!

Indians need to stick a jet engine into the rear canal, hang it with missiles and an 5 generation aircraft that is not inferior to the analogues of the West and Russia is ready. Che here think then .....

We have already written above that the maneuverability of the fighter does not play any role other than to be shown at the air show! In the first place, the unobtrusiveness of target detection range and smart missiles are all the rest of the panty! Any more less thinking person does not even understand the expert

So can only talk a cultivator. Maneuverability is the main indicator in a modern air battle. Your missile launched from a long distance becomes noticeable immediately after the launch and even at the stage of targeting the target. But then maneuvering begins. Accordingly, having a good degree of mastery, you have much higher chances of surviving in an air battle. Describe all the components of air combat for you there is no point, judging by your koment you are a layman.

Something suspicious in China and India generals alone for two or something. Also about indium write about China. it's written with a special one so people start doubting and panicking. During the Great Patriotic War, too, Germans outnumbered

You're right! The Indians received from us a modern submarine and immediately showed it to an American submarine. And now they need our hawk! It can be seen that America does not jaw huge money. They are scared! And there is corruption in India too. I think so?!

Your maneuverability in the air battle 21 century, how to swing a sharp sword in front of the tank! It was 60 years ago, maneuvering to go into the enemy's tail, catch it in sight and press the trigger, today for 100km the radar caught the enemy and the high-tech missile itself finds and destroy the target, and you do not understand where it came from ... and then maneuver the dumb from the rocket

I have enough words from the Indian Air Force command that the advantage of the Russian Su-57 fighter over the American 5-generation aircraft F-22 and F-35 is its high maneuverability. For an airplane, that's it. So these eastern friends are just bargaining.

And many people want to get a lot right! as if the Americans are different!

The fact is that the Indians want to get all the rights to this plane but we do not disclose all the production cards given
th apparatus and as a result they have nothing left.

!!! Only one question: Why all this, premature howl of roll (65 meters) media?
1) If you are pleased with the problems of your country - rejoice honestly, boldly and openly !!!
2) If you want to live in a good, strong and Best Power - do something useful for this !!!
And about SS 57 ... we can wait for the FIRST results: "In 2018, the DEFEXPO India exhibition will be held from April 11 to 14 in Chennai (Tamil Nadu state)." ... and according to the results, the caravan will continue on its way, and let the rolled dogs continue to bark ... until their jaws are ripped open.

For the clever Andrew.
As always, the whole West in the face of Britain, France, and Turkey performed in the Crimean War against Russia. They put hundreds of sons of the highest aristocratic families near Sevastopol and received a pshik. Monuments to these mountain-invaders are in many English cities.
Russian-Japanese - Again, the entire West behind the Japanese, American instructors, American and British weapons, and the 1905 revolution in Russia funded by the West. To get half of Sakhalin and the Kuriles in those days - again zilch, Japan was in debt and could not develop these territories, but for the debts she was forced to get into a suicidal war against the United States in Pearl Harbor so that the Americans had an excuse to seize the entire Southeast Asia in a "liberation" war, of course, and the Japanese emperor to keep a vassal decorative empire. But "Uncle Joe" (Stalin) broke them down badly, putting Mao and Ho Chi Minh against them.
Finnish. Knowing the beginning of the war (WWII) to the exact day, Stalin could not surrender the cradle of the Revolution to Leningrad - Leningrad. Knowing that the West will officially be on the side of the one to attack (intelligence about the agreement of the United States and Britain), it was vitally necessary to push Hitler to attack and deep invasion. But then Leningrad - the symbol of the birth of the USSR - will definitely fall. The question arose about the exchange of territories, to us - to the west of Leningrad, to the Finns - to their beloved Karelia. There was a refusal, plus provocations on the border. The war began, the territories were received, Karelia was saved, the army and the actions of the tank corps were run over, many soldiers were lost, and Leningrad in the new war eventually survived, our spirit rose, the German - the stench. If it were not for the total treachery of the generals (the Trotskyites who were not killed in 1938) in June 1941 in the West and South-West military districts, when, contrary to the order, the Supreme Headquarters left the fortified areas and drove the hungry troops hundreds of kilometers along the steppes until the fuel reserves for the equipment and forces of the soldiers , and the Germans occupied the fortified areas without a fight and until the end of 1942, many parts fought on T-34 (as a division of the SS Dead Head) and the artillery was sufficient until the middle of 1943, then Stalin's plan would have cost without such terrible losses.
By the way, the West officially became an ally of the victim of the attack - the USSR, but his help to the Reich through Sweden and Switzerland was one and a half times higher than the aid for the USSR in the Lend-Lease. Money does not smell. The Russians and Germans are a splinter for the American-British people - they must disappear. It is better if they kill each other themselves. We need to help them (to bring British money to Hitler's power) and still make money on this (the Marshall Plan).

India knows how to count and analyze, the USSR bought everything Soviet, understood that the partner will not let you down and do everything on time, but now slowly we break contracts, they cut defects, etc. that touched the reliability and quality that was earlier dried up, and the appetites of our shopkeepers have increased only to push through!

I can only say one thing - Russians and Indians are much closer than anyone else, see gene studies. and the promises of Anglo-Saxons can not be exactly believed, but we do not abandon our own, you are our strategic partners on a global scale.
China has always been a very slippery partner for us, although in most cases we have found a consensus with it.

It is necessary to analyze analytically the situation. Opponents now do not throw caps.

India is a rich country. Let them buy F-22, conduct a couple of training fights and see whose kung fu is stronger.

States will leave them altogether without trousers) I read somewhere, there they have the guarantee of prikolnaya.Okolo 30 types of gloves, for each node svoih.Odel not the ones and everything) And more such a bunch of tricks.

In the Hindus, shopkeepers)) The price is knocked down. Here you will see then buy at a cheaper price and they will scream that Su-57 is the coolest))

It's funny to discuss that Russia is doing well, looking at cars and planes!

Again, the turbans are starting a tiresome trade. They invested 30 billion dollars for 30 years in the development of their tank. Then they announced the successful completion of the project and that they created the best tank in the world (better than any of ours). After that, they announced the delivery of 50 their tanks to the troops, and simultaneously bought 900 of our T-90. It's necessary to fight something, but left your own for the garlands of flowers on the parades.

Again, the turbans are starting a tiresome trade. They invested 30 billion dollars for 30 years in the development of their tank. Then they announced the successful completion of the project and that they created the best tank in the world (better than any of ours). After that, they announced the delivery of 50 their tanks to the troops, and simultaneously bought 900 of our T-90. It's necessary to fight something, but left your own for the garlands of flowers on the parades.

About how!
Do you think F-22 can fly like a cow? Main missiles, etc.? Well, you're funny. )))

You do not understand that India has been visited by the Yankees, who need all the documentation for our aircraft. So that they can then be knocked down to know how. That's why the Hindus demand everything. Not for myself, but for the United States.

Not. That here the planes are compared. Start small. Compare the machines))). AK 47 with M16). Guys! Be patriots of your country !!! Not so in America everything is beautiful, as they paint ...

In fact, the fighter is excellent, but the Indians need the rights to manufacture it, from the fuselage to the latest engines that were developed for this fighter and which are our secret development. Under the contracts, they were offered follow-up maintenance, but they need everything or nothing. This is simply a common blackmail on their part: "Since you do not want to provide us with all the technical regulations for this fighter, then we will cooperate with your geopolitical rivals."

Do not pay attention to this. A common attempt to increase your own profit, by putting pressure on a partner. Indians in a serious mess no aircraft will help. As my commander said: -Technik in the hands of a savage is a piece of metal.

Yes bucket but much more interesting amer. Buckets

no and there will not be such parameters

Pilots of norms should be planted

To the uninitiated! Shot (ie, fired a rocket) and forgot ... To bury an air battle has long been trying. Back in the 50-ies of the last century. The Vietnam War refuted these forecasts. Before arguing about air combat, it is necessary to determine whether the F-22 and F-35 guns (melee weapons!). There are! Draw conclusions. For information: the farther the missile is released, the easier it is to leave it, there are corresponding maneuvers (elements of complex and superior aerobatics), as well as the corresponding equipment. But continue to develop short-range missiles! Draw conclusions. In real war, after the first nuclear explosion or widespread use of EW, only the collimating sight will remain for use!

Interpret the Indians to compare cy 57 cf 22, if f 22 is not sold. and if to compare with f 35, then f 35 maneuvering, the designator in the helmet is worse, the helmet is heavy,
worse radar, price more expensive. what else is there to compare?

The most important thing is a good base for fighters of 6 generation. The basis of which is integration with all combat control and defeat systems - ground, air, sea, underwater and space. Americans already make such systems, they are not available to us.

Well, if ours buy avionics and optics from the French, at least in this.

I wanted to learn more from the author of the article, in what day American planes are steeper than ours, except for the price naturally.

So if you read Indian treatises, then the Vimanas are just not theirs)))) "White gods from the north" flew to them)))))

Hi Vinit, read the reviews of our more reasonable people and their majority, and the fact that a couple of people write mud so it's in your country there and blacks are offended, so you have to be a reasonable person and be a diplomat, know most of our people do not think anything bad about your world they are too busy with their everyday problems and the fact that a couple of people say this does not mean that all such, referring to the Su-57 in my opinion, he leads when compared to the main parameters of a combat aircraft, good luck

It turns out according to your words!
Other countries (all) are not worse than us, and many are even better.

Good opinion from you. We are neither better nor worse. And according to your words we are no better than anyone but worse than many .... everything is clear with you.
Live in any country as an ordinary immigrant from Russia, and not come with a fat to rest and immediately learn to love the Motherland.

You're a fool. Learn history, the Crimean War, Russian-Japanese, Finnish. What a victory, ram.

In India, the president is nobody, so he was allowed to choose from the lower caste, decisions are made by the prime minister, and he is from the caste that is needed.

The usual market hustle, but the Americans have long been on the market and are able to breed lohov.i goods vtyuhayut with a large makeweight that's when there will be a real price.

Correctly speak, the US media and their CIA work all over the world! You have to be able to separate the crookedness from the truth! I was a sailor many times in Syria and in India I visited many other countries. everywhere we Russians were greeted with all our hearts and we are also to them!

This reminds of Krylov's fable: Fox and grapes. What is inaccessible to them immediately becomes bad, and without having tasted it.))))

The key in the article is that the Amers promised to reduce the cost to 85 million, respectively, Su 57, should become 75 in value, then immediately become super-promising))

There is an old saying: "It wasn’t the babin, mu .... the ringing was in the cockpit." How do the Indians know about the capabilities of the SU-57, even if not all of our pilots have flown it?

If it is not necessary, then do not!
This is a kind of trade to reduce the price. The US will cost a lot more, but some generals will get good kickbacks. That's the thing.

that's for sure! They have a weak place for IT, WE DO NOT: weak can not be what is not! we have an ELECTROMECHANICS!

"They will come a second time" - you deftly bent it! like for a makhorka-sad here for $ 20 billion we will buy planes with a SERVICE COMPLEX, tomorrow, if you don’t like it, we will buy there for $ 30 billion, and the last year's one, to the landfill ... this is for a long time, if not forever, for the foreseeable future. This is another US ECONOMIC VICTORY over Russia. we still want to pay attention to India, Pakistan, Cambodia and Vietnam, but billion-dollar contracts are one of the few really profitable export destinations, which, moreover, raise the international prestige of Russia.

it may happen that the air fights as in 2-th world simply will not. there will be a ZAGORIZONNAYA war-from 400 km launch of a rocket and good bu-rasshn ass ... speed-yes, if you disperse to 10 max-it just does not catch up with the rocket, but maneuverability can go to the background ...

Two SU-57s already have the latest engines. Follow the news, a new optical-electronic complex is being prepared for installation, which will ensure the visibility of the "invisible" Amerzian aircraft.

It's all about money. They want to climb a tree and z ** nitsu n-da.

Article stuffing. Nameless general, "representative of the Ministry of Defense". But there is a problem. Political. Modi is the first non-high-class Indian president. Since, only the highest castes of India are close to Russians in spirit and blood. The Anglo-Saxons planted their political system in Hindustan and through the electoral system and discrediting the caste system were able to push through the cadidate they needed. This is where Obama took full advantage of the Russians by giving the Indians the idea of ​​the popularity of a lower-class candidate. A new alliance with Pakistan, whose population is more homogeneous, is quite logical. In India, representatives of the lower castes are overwhelming.

So they are ordinary gypsies. give them something brighter

And in Su-57 there is no coffee maker, hookah and the ability to view Bollywood movies during the flight. Without this, Indian pilots can not. ☝

Only they were defeated by the Russians.

.... student MAI .... - and what? In 70-80-th years it would have sounded

))) yes-yes-yes ..))) tell this to representatives of Intel, AMD and all sorts of Sun ...

What nafig maneuverability, if his F-22 sees earlier and flops the missile. (((And dviglo at Su - the old .. he without a afterburner and can not in supersonic .. modern fighter, this is not maneuverability, and advanced avionics, invisibility and missiles - shot and forgot ...

Hindus decent pigs can not forgive us that we are the original su 30x and t 90x did not sell here and are furious and at the expense of this news, the devil knows what real fight will show, but then the question arises how they compared the drying with the American, because not our Americans are not characteristics issue so that this is another slander which in my opinion we will only play by the hand!

Hello do not judge strictly, this is from bad manners, in fact, we are well treated both by Hindus and blacks. I can judge this because in our city there is a lot of HIGH SCHOOL where to study both Hindus and Syrians and blacks. when they walk down the street, many smile at them. Very bad in this respect was the Chechen war, when many Arab and black mercenaries came to our country. And the anger is still from the constant stuffing of the media, which hollywar ratings raise due to the verbal clashes of these students. Peace to your home !!!

India is a big country and the choice to buy from anyone, remains with our Indian friends.
However, I want to note that the line of fundamental sciences for today is only for two countries - the United States and Russia. China does not have this. Your confrontation with China is ridiculous and silly, are you really incapable of diplomacy?
I think that there is a third party that arranges such confrontations and warms their hands on this.

Yes, our inventors did not think about diapers for Indians

Exactly

Speed ​​and maneuverability. this is the main thing for a fighter. The Hindu should not scare our fighter, but learn how to really fly, how our pilots fly and frighten the Pindos!

You Sergey

That's the whole point. There are corrupt people and media all over.

So many good ties.

There are Kamov 226, Brahmos, Kiev class aircraft carrier, Su30 mki, Akula class submarine, t90 tanks.

I see good future with russia. Now it depends on russian outlook and indian side as well.

Lets see.

Hello "romance" and "Evgen"

And dear russian friends, As i explained, there are some bad and corrupt people in India as well as in the world as well.

If abusive language is your weapon, you can not survive.
Romance and Evgen as well.

1. We are not begging for fighter and technology. We are there to deal and pay money for it.

2. It was said by some "unknown army person" and you question defense minister? I object to that. Did i question putin? If i would how would you feel?
I strongly suggest that if you want to have good ties, first behave wisely.

3. Russians still discriminating on blacks and white? Well such people shouldnt get out of bathrooms.
Eat your excreta and release and eat it again.

If logical discussions are to be done, it's okay. Else maintain silence.

Really black skin and white ???
I feel shame on humanity.
I'm sure many Russians would not agree to you.

Hi Artemy, Very well explained. If you will visit India. But geo political pressure is due to china.

You are right.

24-March-2018

Not certainly in that way. But another is true. No people except Russian has among themselves so many anti-Russian propagandists.

Accustomed to buy three copecks, now the lafa is over, you need to pay money, and that's gundezh, as for the parameters, it's not in vain sent to Syria, they'll see what's what, finish it and everything will be ok.

The black-asses amused! They are learning"!!! How? On glossy advertising brochures of the RF Ministry of Defense and videos on the Internet? Does the Indian Air Force have at least 1 Su-57 or were their generals allowed to enter the aircraft factory? Or maybe the pilots of the Indian Air Force took part in the tests?
Do not like Su-57? Is not it decent? Well, there are no problems - take F-35 more expensive for 15%.
And also amused: "... the only advantage of the Russian fighter is its high maneuverability." What else interests you ??? Armament? So you can hang any missiles and how many you want. But, if a fighter does not have enough maneuverability, then its worth a penny! But for the Indians, apparently the main thing is how much you can hang, or maybe comfort on the plane?

The entire history of India had, from the UK, etc. What can the Fake Minister of Defense of India think about the technique.

Let's just say that in every business or every Russian novelty there are critics or admirers, it will not be time that something will be released from the assembly line so only one reproaches, but how much time and effort, knowledge in technology is put by some people know who worked. I am very happy for our army and I rejoice in everything new, I think the Su-57 fighter meets all modern requirements and the best in the world.

the answer is simple: the Indians are "not very" satisfied with the increased diplomatic and political activity of the Russian Federation in Pakistan lately, as well as with China, which the Yankees immediately took advantage of, the last fruitful visit of the American government delegation brought tangible results that led to the reorientation of the Indian military-industrial complex from Russian to the American arms market. For the Russian Federation, this is a sensitive damage. India has always been a large and stable buyer of Russian weapons. Who has benefited from this and who has lost a rhetorical question.

Hindus want from Russia to get the technology of our aircraft and manufacture by themselves. This situation has been going on for more than 20 years. This is brief, fully can be found in the internet.

60 years ago, we had a ruler who believed that there was no need for artillery and the fleet, we now have a type of rocket. You talk to experts about agility, I think your opinion will change. All these assessments are made only on very superficial information, which in reality no one knows. We also counted 300-400 km by "Caliber", but when they blasted everything at 2500 and sat down. On the transfer of technical documentation, there are rules and no country transfers all the information completely, even to the equipment of the previous generation, not to mention the latest weapons. Look how many Englishmen squeal at amers about the transfer of ishldnyh codes, but they only show a fig. The fact that the Indians are bargaining - well done, it means they think about their country. And the fact that we have recently lost a part of the Indian arms market due to excessive self-confidence is yes, listen to Bagdasarov, he is emotional, but he has control over the situation.

India simply wants to reduce the cost of our aircraft and therefore frightens the refusal of the contract. yeah well @ # @@ # @ # @ # india in the air with her American purchases here then crawl back to Russia!

Bl "he turns around on the spot !!!! let at least one Raptor try to do this, those are the technologies)

dear Vinit. If you do not have the money to buy this aircraft, it does not mean that it is bad. Are you not friendly with China? So this is your problem. Honestly, I also do not like China and its products. But today the whole world buys Chinese products. Can you suggest something better? Offer and we will buy from you. But where are the planes? Advanced technology is simply not transmitted. And if you have half the aircraft is not capable of flying, so it is necessary to carry out maintenance on time. By the way, the service is also not free.

Practical Indians like the practical Chinese have not yet created any modern tank, airplane, machine gun, missile, etc. All under a carbon paper. And they copy from Russia.

Explain, please, to the student of the MAI on what parameters does the su exceed F-35 for example?

No army of the world has fought as much as the Russian army. And not a single army of the world has won as much as the Russian

And who from Indian pilots sat at the helm of SU-57 ???

French and German

And in general, this is India, they like to haggle there. So most likely will buy, just wait for the price below.

I think Indian generals, under a certain approach, are equally compliant and not more expensive than Polish or Estonian. In general, it seems to me that they were paid to vote in such a manner and in favor of arming another country. Business and nothing personal.

You can never completely trust "partners". No matter what slogans they cover their veiled intentions. After all, they all pursue the goal of achieving, if not superiority, then at least parity in production technologies, not to mention promising design developments. And Hindus are no exception. They want to reveal almost all the secrets of the production of this unique machine and even assembly at their factories. And it's not a fact that these technologies, with this approach, will not leave the Indians for the Pendos. After all, these friends allowed the US Navy intelligence specialists to our SSGN for "sightseeing", as they later declared in defense. Maybe it's enough for us to step on the same rake again? And so it is clear that the Su-57 surpasses practically, if not in all, then in many respects, its Pendos "relatives". And, by the way, it costs at least 20% less. So all this chatter is known why. This is nothing more than a provocative move in order to bargain for the maximum preferences and benefits when signing a contract for the purchase of such equipment. The question is: do we need to submit it at all? After all, there are already enough ways to fill the budget. In general, this kind of "cooperation" is highly controversial in the current geopolitical situation.

None of the world's armies had as many captured soldiers as Russian.

When business has with shopkeepers, it is necessary to be ready to a similar kind of understating of quality of the goods ... And Indians it 100% of hucksters.

Totally agree! Tape from foil, they like it .. While the trade is underway, the decision will be made later .. A-chah !.

Andryusha! Before speaking, take the drying characteristics and the F-35. Compare them yourself. Russia is an "aviation" power! We have huge achievements in this area. The quality of our aircraft has been confirmed more than once. He himself spent 13 years in aviation. The point is that we do not want to give the Indians TECHNOLOGIES !!

Hi Dmitry,

An aircraft and it's technology are very complex and Russian fighters have supported and protected Indian Sky's since decades. So there is no doubt of ability of aircraft.

I again repeat, Geopolitics, our f8nance situation, our other fighter program and existing fighter all play role.

I will pass on information on Su-30mki as well.

India has purchased 273 Sukhoi 30-MKI. Currently it is best aircraft in our fleet. But it's service and maintenance requirement is too much. Only 50% were active at a time ready for action.
Meaning only 135 or so were ready, others under Service all the time.

But that does not mean it has less capacity. We Integrated BrahMos (joint India Russia missile) with it.

Right now it is only fighter in the world that can carry Super sonic cruice missle. So many thanks to russia and its technology.

Similarly, Su-57 technology is very advance but right now we have some restriction.

Does that mean we stop interaction? And break strategic tie?

Dear Alexander,

You may decide what you want.
In India, we do not believe in Superior or inferior human. For us all are the same.

It is our action that decides who is good and bad.

Here, I am accepting fact.

Russia is supporting China witg technology and equipment.

China is India enemy.

So to counter China, we have to take USA support. As India economy is not as large as China.

As far as Aircraft is concerned, I state it again, Fighter must be designed as per specification, but the current geopolitical scenario and our economic condition may not allow Su-57.

Said again, just because of 1 and 1, said Su-57 is not at par with F-35. It is not true.
I think it is false.

Anyway,
If you have made up minds, that, India has no place in strategic partnership, I may be of no help.

Regards,
Vinit
22-March-2018

Joint development, this as a localization, has its own degree. Together, you can develop chassis, mechanization, glider, or electronics and weapons. I am sure that Russia did not subscribe to 100% transfer of all technologies for Su-57.
But criticism will not hurt, it will force a more objective analysis of the capabilities of the Su-57 and force designers to bring the aircraft to the required characteristics. Designers also need to be urged on.

Where did you see that the blueprints for developments, especially the military ones, were "sold on the market"?
Your "consistency" lies in the allocation of attendants. Do you like bold?
So. INDUSTRIES BEGAN ONLY. NOT ONE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPER, NOT PARTICIPATED IN THE PROJECT. It's clear?

P @ # @ # @ Are Raptor drawings being auctioned off? Well, what a bald man, you then write about "should please"?
The Indians wanted Russia to "make them a cheap and modern fighter." Which is fundamentally impossible when you create something from scratch. Obviously, Sukhoi's employees did not clearly explain this truth. And when they saw the bills, they promised from three boxes.

It's even better that we do not have to build our aircraft for a foreign country. We do not have so many factories that we can fulfill our plan ourselves, and still make us happy with exports.

Not interesting SU-57 ??? Well this is your decision, gentlemen of the Indians. So you accepted and agreed with the commercial risk of irretrievable loss. So after this, all your requirements for the transfer of a full package of project documentation is not legal. Do you agree? Why do you need a useless plane? To us, but we are very useful for half of your money !!))))))))

Su-57 does not have a propeller and it scares the Hindus!

If we discard the reptiles-corrupt officials, then no one has ever deceived ours. Our style, "inexpensive and tasteful", proves every time that we have more than enough brainy guys, especially in the defense industry. It's just that since 17 we have been taught to have low self-esteem in front of the West. And meanwhile, it is not they to us, but we are pouring the best brains into them. Let's close this case, we will be ahead of the rest. And the Indians ... well, the Indians, the tsigans are tsigans, more colored ribbons, shiny bells and an extra rupee in a sweaty palm. It's time for us to stop squatting in front of the grimy "partners" and trade solidly, they squandered Kalashnikov, but look at the queue for C 300-400! And there will be S-500 Khan to their Phantoms ... I'm for the Russians! We are the Most Prestigious There is no one better than us! Not with whom so many countries and enemies have not fought, but the score is dry in our favor. It's time for them to understand this!

Dear Igor,
India is developing it's own jet with technology and knowledge it has plus assistance from friends. And I am sure Russia is.

India has not leased nuclear submarine from USA. But from Russia. I am unaware of any such news here.

We have taken a nuclear submarine from our Strategic partner and that is Russia.

But, I must admit, our own fighter program had assumed that we will buy Su-57 ($ 100 million each) as well as its technology (another $ 4 billion, currently very costly for us.

Su-57 with new engine more service able, more range and potent aircraft.

But if its cost is beyond budget, should we start abusing India for one topic?

Also, if just one person says it that F-35 is better, then all start believing in it?

There are corrupt and paid media as well as military out there.

Few people want ties between Russia and India become weak. Let's not make that happen.

Let's grow strong now and for future.

Your faithfully,
Vinit
22-Mar-2018

Andrey,
Thank you for understanding situation.

Also consider, few media are sold also. And also a few military people as well. Corruption is everywhere, in my country and in the world also.

Just by saying.
We have Brahmos from you, Sukhoi 30MKI is from russia. Nuclear power is from russia which power India.

We are very much proud of our friendship.

We also know, Su-57 will be the best air craft.

Plus also consider geopolitical compulsion. Just like Russia has to make of friendship to fight against China.

Read news recently, China wants to attack Taiwan. Why? It has a dispute with Russia and all neighbor.

Lets try to maintain and build on friendship.

Remeber, when China will not need Russia, It will try to capture.

You will find India on your side that time.

Let's remain Friends for now and for future as well.

Each country creates technology, to the best of its budget, and not people, but people. And there is not much technique that can pass through the whole country, except the Russian, not everything is as bad as they paint. It is better to dig a hole in advance, and then there will be no places in the cemetery.

Everything rests on the price list. They got used to taking military equipment several times cheaper from Russia. And they want it to be so on. Lada no one blames, because there is another car better. They need not only technology but technology.

At 1, EW facilities are deployed, in all ranges, from DW to UVB. Which can and 50 false targets give the locator, and the missile to send away. Here it is just partners have nothing to cover.

Specialists are not bad enough, I work at the enterprise, and I know that our designers are geniuses, current with scanty s / n

Dear Vinit.
Thank You very much for Your comment.
Russia considers India as a very important partner in the sphere of military cooperation. But the basic approach to that cooperation is to boil down to the fact that it should be mutually beneficial. If India wants to get access to advanced military technologies, it should develop and strengthen military cooperation with proven partners. Otherwise India will have to develop those technologies by itself (which is very costly and takes a lot of time), or buy ready-made military products and become military dependant.
The question of transfer of Su-30 technology could be connected to the access of the United States of America.
We need trust to develop our cooperation. Might be very promising and very profitable for both sides.
Yours sincerely,
Igor
March 21st, 2018

Let them create their own. Maybe it will work out better. Specialists, bl ..., armourers

The best way to show your interest in an expensive product is to provoke a negative polemic about it in the world, thereby inciting the manufacturer to make the offer and freebies as options first. It's not for Hindus to talk about aviation, they are not experts in this! Let the sneakers at first learn how to do normally.

It is not necessary to drive a snowstorm, read a story. The Americans at one time abandoned guns on airplanes and made a bet on speed, they say, it's not necessary for modern samoyeds to maneuver combat, all will make rockets of floor range. But life has shown that this is not so. And quickly returned the guns and reworked the concept. Now the history repeats itself, only at the head is mythical invisibility. Again, bet on long-range missiles and the fact that you first let and destroy the enemy before he discovers you. That's just this tactic will work against the natives, who do not have the means of detection and defeat.

I think the Indian generals did not see the "advantages" in the form of several million dollars in their accounts, so they praise f35

SAVE THE PRICE OF HANDS. WANT TO TAKE ON A CHEAPER.

I agree. Moreover, it seems to me that super-maneuverability these days is not painful and is needed. Long-range detection of the enemy, speed, accuracy and range of weapons and their own stealth are much more needed. Apparently, our plane cannot compete with them except for super-maneuverability. And the logic, like, "Yes, they are gypsies, they want to get everything from us for nothing" ... Guys, they have Pakistan by their side, China by their side. They need good planes. And the money issue for India is also important. And why should they be glad that we do not give them the JOINT development documentation? Now, imagine that someone did this to us. The patriots would have howled in frustration. Remember, patriots: other countries are no worse than us. And many are even better.

We would not have specialists - we would not have weapons, and without weapons we would have been under nuclear dust, but not you, a liberal. Do not you like the country? So what do you live here? Please, on all four sides!

You are absolutely right! And what the Indians are currently tormenting is getting absolutely complete information on the plane for resale striped.

By what principle, do you determine that the economy is "in shit"? The second point, if there is no weaponry that will frighten a potential enemy, then this very enemy will do whatever he wants, which will lead to even worse consequences. There are specialists, and always will be, there are people with brains, there are also people with hands. Apparently, by your statement, you do not refer yourself to either one or the other.

Such tactics Germany applied 1 September 1939 against Poland. 14 September Speer reported to Hitler that the bombs had ended.

F-22 can detect before, perhaps, but it can not do anything, it is necessary to approach each other in order to release a rocket ... or run away if it understands that it's Su-57 :) because the rockets fly further away :) that is how only drying will see 22-it can work out and fly away to another task :) That once again, by the way, says that the competitor Su-57 is f-22, not 35 ... but only f-22 is not for sale, but even if would be sold it would be worth 2-3 times more expensive su-57.

Do not be engaged in shapkozakidatelstvom. The Patriot sees shortcomings, but does not praise them. The country in the pit, the last resources for airplanes and missiles with nuclear engines. What can be done when there are no specialists and will not be in the coming years 20. There is no one to develop weapons. We are like parrots. The economy is in shit, and we are all talking about the fact that everyone is stronger.

Our idiots are not idiots, we should put up modern equipment. There, the stock is installed)))

Hello, I am from India. I graduated from amd.

There are many wrong information being spread all around.
I will try to list of them from my perspective.

1. Indian Air Force first declined interest in F-35. Indian defense ministey scrapped potential purchase for F-16 as well.

2. Russia has to stand strong in the world. But India and China are enemy and Russia partnering with China is bad for India.

3. India is not a developed country. So both F-35 and Su-57 are both costly for us.

4. Apart from nearly $ 100 + billion for technology.

5. You may insult India based on your perception, but earlier for Su-30 technology transfer was to be done, which did not happen.

6. India has already invested some $ 300 million in design cost but did not gaun much.

7. I very well know India is corrupt. But that is because both Russia-KGB, America-CIA put money to gain control.
Is for you to believe it or not.
But now, the current government is more transparent and less corrupt.

And still we find Russia as partner. But to counter China we need America.
If Russia states that, Russia are with India, india will never go to America.

In my opinion, they just fill up their worth, like the T-90 machines. They just want to buy it at a cheaper price, act on "weak"

F-22 is not sold to anyone, only the US Air Force!

F-22, not only is 350 million worth a thing, in addition, the US does not sell them to anyone :)

Either this "representative of the Indian Ministry of Defense" is absolutely incompetent, or it is some kind of Indian game. Or maybe both. More than 35 imperfections have not yet been eliminated in the F-1000, this is generally a flying trough. The F-22 is a good aircraft, but our Su-57 is in no way inferior, and better in maneuverability and a number of other parameters. Now it will be brought to mind and it will be the best 5th generation aircraft in the world by right. And let the Indians go through the forest.