Bear services in the supply of helicopters
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Bear services in the supply of helicopters

Bear services in the supply of helicopters

“There will always be among us those who love the RETRO style” (

The cost center general designers “got sick” with the RETRO mania back in Soviet times and cannot possibly part with the classic helicopter design, which has long gone out of fashion. For them, the USA is the standard of technical excellence and they apply all their design talent so that their Mi-28 is better than the Apache (Than the updated Night Hunter helicopter can surpass the American Apache RosInfo). There is hope that they will achieve their goal, not because American designers may be weaker, but because Sikorsky’s design bureau is currently engaged in helicopters of promising coaxial design and they are already testing a high-speed combat helicopter, which is similar to our mission in performing tasks 24, but cruising speed with full weapons = 407k / h., Instead of 265k / h. at Mi-28NM.

The Airbus Helicopters concern has its own aerodynamic configuration of the prototype high-speed helicopter Racer (Rapid And Cost-Effective Rotorcraft - high-speed and economical rotorcraft).

“The Racer design has been optimized to maintain high cruising speeds above 400 km / h. The goal of engineers and designers is to find a compromise between speed, cost, practicality in content and parameters that have an impact on the performance of tasks. The final installation of the demonstration helicopter is scheduled for the beginning of the 2019 year, and the first flight in the next year. "

And our projects of high-speed Ka-92 and Ka-102 have long been "covered with a copper basin" and patiently wait for the end of the rule of liberals in helicopter engineering working in the USA, "not sparing their belly."

By the way, one must understand that the flights of the President of Russia V.V. Putin at the half-century Mi-8 indulges pulling our once-helicopter superpower to the global margins. It is generally accepted that the Head of State should use the most modern technology: more advanced and safe! The Ka-2000-32 helicopter was supposed to be just such a substitute from the beginning of the 10's, but it was not “found” to the customer, although it is no secret that the State has always acted and remains the main customer. But today the President of Russia would already have the opportunity to fly here on such a comfortable and very beautiful helicopter to the envy of the whole world!

It’s clear to everyone that the Army, and especially the Airborne Forces, need compact, maneuverable and high-energy helicopters! Only government lobbyists who put the Mi-8AMTSh helicopter into service with the “landing order” for a real Ka-32-10AG helicopter were “incomprehensible”.

“The experience of modern local conflicts and wars shows that the helicopter has very little time, only a few tens of seconds to land,” says first-class pilot Major Alexander Barsukov. After that, the car can be easily knocked down, even despite a very good reservation. ” From here to the landing helicopter there are increased requirements for a large reserve of power, high maneuverability and even more: operational landing - landing. A helicopter with a tail rotor in the rear hemisphere does not guarantee safe landing of both equipment and the paratroopers themselves. Ka-32-10AG only has PLUSES according to these requirements! It turns out that in fact arming the Airborne Forces with Mi-8AMTSh helicopters is a real "bear service" to our landing troops!

Let us compare the LTX Mi-8AMTS with VK-2500 engines (2400l.s. x2) and the Ka-32 helicopter with TV-3-117VMA engines (2200l.s. x2), on the basis of which the Ka-XNXX helicopter was designed.



engine's type

2 x TBG VK-2500-03

engine's type

2 x TV3-117


4000 kg.


5000 kg.

full speed

260 km / h

full speed

260 km / h

Cruising speed

225 km / h

Cruising speed

240 km / h


6000 m.


6000 m.

Static ceiling

1900 m.

Static ceiling

3500 m.

This shows that the Mi-8AMTS with more powerful engines in the LTX loses to the weaker coaxial Ka-32 in everything, especially in power supply: the difference in the static ceiling = 1600м. (3500m. - 1900m. = 1600m.)

But the Ka-32 has a cargo compartment height of only 1,4m, so it is of little use for landing, but the Ka-32-10AG has a cargo compartment that is commensurate with the Mi-8 helicopter and the same engines: VK-2500, hence the power reserve is much greater. For example, on an external suspension, the Mi-8AMTSh is capable of lifting a weight of up to 4t, while the Ka-32-10AG, respectively, up to 7т. The difference is impressive, though not those on whom it depends: to put this helicopter into service or not?

Work with the crews of helicopters of the Airborne Forces is a constant incredible stress of nerves: at a height on such a platform you need to manage not only to land the helicopter, but then it is even more difficult to fly up with wounded fighters or commandos. But with such flights, the helicopter needs as much power reserve as possible.

“To leave the mountain“ spots ”, where a normal take-off was impossible, a breakdown technique was used that made it possible to accelerate to a decrease (in the fall. Author's note) and go on a normal flight.


Nevertheless, from time to time, the Ka-27 and Ka-29 helicopters, already in service, appeared in Afghanistan. In addition to the fleet, Kama helicopters served in border aviation, being in demand in the border troops districts in mountainous regions, where their high power capacity, excellent load-bearing ability, altitude and rate of climb, as well as resistance to the effects of the usual wind in the mountains, tail and side winds were beneficial. The compactness of the coaxial machines (Kama helicopters had a rotor 16 meter in diameter — one third less than the Mi-8 rotor) ”was not the least suitable for the specifics of working in tight mountain conditions,” from Victor Markovsky's memoirs: Turntables, Afghanistan. The Eight of November 12 2012.

Milev designers today’s helicopters give flight characteristics much higher than in the Afghan war, only you need to read them according to the aphorism of Kozma Prutkov: "Do not believe what is written." The rationale will start from afar.

Website AviaPort; topic: which combat helicopter do we need, p.46:

*** “12.02.2012 Nikolaevich (that is: I) writes:

It wasn’t possible to get out of your link, but in the “Publishing House“ Helicopter ”- it’s exactly with Mi-171 with TV3-117 engines. ceiling about 4000m. It is strange that the ultra-modern Mi-38 on the same site has this ceiling = 2800m, but I think that in a year it’s different and its blades are polished against the air and st. the cost center designers will raise the ceiling, like Ka-50, to 4300m. ”

Further even more interesting:

*** "12.02.2012 Nikolaevich writes:

This is an addendum to my comment yesterday. By the end of the war, the Mi-24 could be said to have grown stronger: if at the beginning of hostilities its static ceiling was -1050м, then by the end of the war -1300м. Today, VK-2500 engines were installed on it, therefore the ceiling increased to 1500m. "("

Two days later, I again looked at this link on wikipedia and was very surprised that in two days the static ceiling of Mi-35 with 1500m. "Rose" right up to 3150m. COOL!!! This paper "ceiling" of Mi-35 in wikipedia has been preserved to the present.

But on the Mi-38 helicopter, the cost center designers somehow "modested themselves" by raising the static ceiling from 2800m. only up to 3750 m. (Russian Helicopters website), but they prophesy the middle between the Mi-8 and Mi-26, that is, the niche of the MI-6 helicopter, which no longer fits into any gates.

For Mi-6, the average load is considered = 8t., And for Mi-38 it’s good if it reaches half? The carrying capacity of the Mi-6 helicopter is up to 12; Mi-38: Max. payload in the transport cabin up to 5 tons. (Russian Helicopters Mi-38 website).

Therefore, the Mi-8 helicopter did not occupy and will not occupy any middle position between the Mi-26 and the Mi-38, because the Mi-38 is an advanced Mi-8 and will not succeed in occupying a middle position between itself and the Mi-26 !!!

Today, the Mi-6 helicopter could be replaced by a high-speed longitudinal helicopter,

but government officials do not even remember about it, pretending that there is no such project at all: Russia cannot be ahead of the Pindos in helicopter engineering! If they have a similar project, it will not be soon, and our Ka-102, with adequate funding, could already be in the gut, but the Kremlin is using force to force operators to use the long-outdated Mi-8, and the devastating Mi-26.

And the President’s demand to equip our VKS with the hardened Mi-28NM is completely unclear, although more advanced ATGMs are supposed to be used on them, as well as ball locators above N.V.’s bushing Unfortunately, I did not find the answer to the main thing with this helicopter: are gearboxes modified, in the event of failure of which the tail rotor of the Mi-28Н becomes uncontrollable? The deplorable ending of such a refusal can be seen in the video.

And the engines are the same as those of the Mi-28Н: VK-2500, which does not change its flight characteristics and there are still no catapult seats that save the lives of pilots in a critical situation. If there were such seats on the Mi-28 / 24 combat helicopters, pilots would be alive after tail rotor failures. This also includes the Mi-35M disaster in Syria, in which the rocket exploded in the tail rotor region and the helicopter spun with a subsequent catastrophe, then the pilots would have time to catapult, and the flying wingman would pick them up.

And then the question is: how would a coaxial helicopter behave if it received a similar rocket explosion in the tail area: when testing the Ka-50, the tail unit was completely shot and it was at speeds up to 200к / h. confidently continued the flight to the base !!!

It seems clear to everyone that the Ka-50 helicopter is much stronger, more maneuverable and safer, and in addition to the crash, it does not lose two pilots, but one - that’s what it needs to be introduced into the VKS instead of Mi-28! Yes, no matter how!

At the Progress plant in the Far East, which produces Ka-52 helicopters with ejection seats, staff are being reduced:

“In Primorye, workers at the Progress aircraft plant rally

According to the protesters, the plant urgently needs defense orders. Last year, due to low workload, the leadership reduced almost 1200 people. By the end of this year, according to factory workers, another 200 employees will be laid off.

Progress is a city-forming enterprise for Arsenyev. In total, almost 6000 people now work there.

Andrey Nikulin, chairman of the primary trade union organization AAC “Progress”: “We gathered experts from the world on a thread, from all over the country. Yes, for two years these are difficult, we are just losing specialists. Therefore, we say that we need to retain personnel precisely in the Far East because Arseniev is a single-industry town. People have nowhere to go to work more, people will go west ”(Novaya Gazeta 07, October 2019).

In addition, it will not be amiss to remind our rulers of the reviews of military pilots themselves about the Mi-28 and Ka-50 helicopters.

*** “2011-11-04

“N. Loparenok, but you're not right about the scrap. Think at your leisure .16.01

Alexander. I fly this ferret and know what I say 16.02

Alexander. I'm not saying Apache is a good car! I say Mi-28 sucks! Unsuccessful, crude, obsolete, completely ill-conceived, and someone crammed into a commercial machine! The army needs a completely different helicopter! Xnumx

Nikolay Loparenok. I'm not a helicopter pilot, so I can’t argue. 16.44

Alexander. Then just believe! And do not praise the helicopter for one commercial ”

*** 2 Shuravi: At least fly to 24 - and then judge. The fact that it flies is wonderful for me. Overweight, sluggish, unreasonably not proportionate marvel (

*** Anonymous: Mr. "ARKAN" talk to pilots who flew on the Ka50 / 52 and on the Mi-28 the most important thing was to shoot from them while hovering and at low speeds. Then broadcast on this site. I talked and not in a formal setting, except for the mat about Mi-28 I did not hear anything (04 / 04 / 2008

*** “Fly on Kama cars and make sure that they do not cause any discomfort, but find a number of unique properties and qualities. For a helicopter, a coaxial design does not matter which side the wind blows when taking off or landing. With a full combat load, the Black Shark hangs at an altitude of 4000 meters. We have convincingly shown in Chechnya how efficiently the combat missions are carried out on this machine ... ”(Senior Inspector-Pilot of the Army Aviation Directorate in the Air Force High Command Colonel Alexander Rudykh).

And here another question reasonably arises: how did the Mi-24 fight in Afghanistan? They are "legendary"!

That's how:

“Among the aviators, helicopter pilots suffered most of the irreparable losses, especially in the summer months, when people were exhausted by the heat and hard work, and the machines lost in performance. In another month, 3: 4 crew did not return from departures. The unbiased wording “injuries incompatible with life” came into use by military physicians, most of which occurred in emergency landings and fires of damaged vehicles

“The helicopter pilot has a difficult death.” Everyone knew about this, who happened to pick up the dead comrades and see charred skulls in the debris of the car covered in greasy soot.

“A science squadron from Kunduz cost 6 Mi-24D lost in the first year, mostly due to non-combat reasons, crashed in the mountains due to fog and unexpected air currents, broken when landing on slopes and in gorges” (Mi-24 in Afghanistan. Markovsky).

- “So, the irretrievable losses of the Mi-24 and Mi-8 in Afghanistan due to the combat defeat of the rear parts of the gliders account for about a third of the total number of helicopters that died. This also includes losses associated with impacting the tail rotors over obstacles and their subsequent destruction during combat maneuvering near obstacles at low altitudes ”(Comparison of An-64 and Ka-50. OVE Journal = RAF

- “And the losses of helicopters both in Chechnya and in other regions were growing. Helicopters, as in Afghanistan, were not only shot down by anti-aircraft machine guns and MANPADS, but also died because of SIDE WINDS that threw them onto the rocks. The latter problem turned out to be insoluble even for the latest versions of the Mi-8MTV, which had good altitude and rate of climb. In Chechnya, only in one rocky area killed three crews of the Eights. In Kyrgyzstan, in two years it was the lateral wind that caused the death of three Mi-8MTV ”(Ch.A. will be left overboard.

- And more recent: “The Kurds shot down a Turkish military helicopter, carrying out the evacuation of wounded soldiers. According to the Turkish side, the aircraft crashed due to a technical malfunction, however, social networks posted a video that captured the moment of shelling of a helicopter with small arms ”( 18-oktyabrya-2019).

Conclusion: our landing troops should be armed only with modern Ka-32-10AG coaxial helicopters and Ka-52 and Ka-50 attack helicopters, but not outdated with the Mi-8 and Mi-28 tail rotors! It’s only in the cinema for the landing that the crew selects a flat platform on the edge of the forest or in the Orenburg steppe and the soldiers leave the helicopter in a formation: “48 — 50% of all Mi-8 injuries were received at the landing sites (V. Markovsky“ Turntables, Afghanistan).

“Takeoff from a field site in the desert required skill and experience in order not to crash a helicopter in an impenetrable dusty whirlwind” (Victor Markovsky).

The Ka-32-10AG and the Ka-50 / 52 with full load energetically increase engine power and hover over a dusty whirlwind.

In Afghanistan, 333 helicopters (100 aircraft) were lost. Now translate this number into the number of pilots and you will see what terrible price our combat pilots paid for the liberal "legendary" Mi-24 helicopters.

The Ka-50 is truly legendary: in the Chechen war "for the downed" Black Shark "and the corresponding video, the militants were promised a million dollars. However, a million "green" and still remains for them only a sky-high dream "(

“The designers of the Kamov Design Bureau have created a truly unique aircraft, the equal of which, in terms of the combination of flight technical and combat characteristics, has still not been built either in the West or in the Homeland.

Combat work in Chechnya confirmed the high combat performance of the Sharks and their unique suitability for use in the mountains. Ka-50 made dozens of flights to "free hunting" using all types of airborne weapons. The special forces, inspecting the remains of the burnt equipment of the gangs, invariably gave high marks to the new helicopter and dreamed that the air support of the reconnaissance groups would be provided by EXACTLY “Sharks”. (Helicopter "Ka-50" ("Black Shark") - a thunderstorm. ›nauka-i-tehnika).

But the "secret" military again saw the future of a combat helicopter on the basis of the Mi-24LL, which got its teeth on edge, and it will be called, as I suppose: "High-speed Crocodile" or Mi-24ВК! With modern ATGM it will become a thunderstorm of enemy tanks, while it will itself be a target shot from small arms of militants who, according to old memory, will pass it above themselves and from behind firing aiming at the tail boom without fuss: the helicopters are the same, the weak spots are the same and the speed is the same!

For sworn partners, by that time combat helicopters would fly at a speed of more than 400k / h. and Mi-24ВК they are not a rival not in the market, not in battle! At this time, the proposed S.V. Mikheev, the project of a modern combat helicopter capable of successfully resisting them will be stored in a computer bank with the Ka-92 and Ka-102, according to the decision of the mysterious military from the Kremlin government and the requirements of the President of Russia!

Once again, let's look at the external differences of the Mi-28НМ and Ka-52 helicopters.

It is clear that the Ka-50 / 52 helicopters will have difficulties for the militants: out of habit, they shot him in the tail, and he immediately turned to 180 city. and in response, he aimed the shot himself! With the future PBB, it will be even more difficult for militants: because of its high speed, they will not have time to shoot accurately! But the "secret" military decided that "the old horse will not spoil the furrow" and under this slogan the old Mi-24LL made a "victory" in the "competition" over the Kamov WSP. Apparently they forgot that this saying has a continuation: “But it will not plow deeply”, which means: on the battlefield - a slow-motion helicopter. And it seems to me that they helped to “win” the contest to the old Mi-24LL on the recommendation of the Vashobkom!

This helicopter is handsome from S.V. Mikheev, who is more like a fighter - a bomber 4 ++ than a helicopter, especially - a pro-generational model.

A true warrior from the future: high-speed, highly maneuverable! “The CEO said in an interview:“ I was able to find a solution and patent it: a military helicopter can reach speeds in excess of 600 km / h. ” Sergei Mikheev admitted that at present our country is far behind in resolving this issue from America: some helicopter models can already fly today at speeds above 400 km / h.

For comparison: the Mi-28 helicopter cannot reach speeds above 300 km / h, and the maximum speed of the multi-purpose Ka-62 is 310 km / h. Domestic experts have already said that work on the creation of super-fast helicopters is underway, but more detailed information has not been provided to date ”(Domestic experts figured out how ...

Of course, such Russian excellence for the Vashobkom is like a sickle in one place: fly the legendary Mi-24 and build the Mi-28NM as much as you like, because it is not a competitor to S-97 both in markets and in war!

Vitaly Belyaev, especially for

Why upgrade old helicopters like MI-8. They are already outdated. It is better to produce more modern helicopters like KA-50, KA-52 and KA-62. These helicopters are much superior in quality, vitality and combat power than MI and other Western helicopters, like Apaches, etc. It is necessary to produce such helicopters, not junk (they have already outlived their own). Maybe Putin and Shaigu will review, weigh the pros and cons, and give an indication of a more modern helicopter, and high-speed like the Ka-92 and KA-102