The fact of the matter is that system operators also want to live. They know very well what will happen to them if only they decide to shoot in the direction of Israeli aircraft.

It’s strange. And then they will say that they refused the beeches in favor of the s-300! A completely different technique for performance characteristics and purpose. Well, like the S-300 can shoot down a drone, and the cc can also have an armor. but the cost will be different, and shooting s-300 at drones go broke in a week!

the beech is designed to hit targets at a distance of up to 50km and altitudes of 20km. And he has 4 rockets, then reload. And on low-flying and close targets can no longer fire.

The shell is designed to hit targets at a distance of 1 kilometer to 20 km with missiles. And guns at minimum distances and heights. he has 12 missiles (which are cheaper than beech).

Bottom line: they are not equivalent to each other. and are not a substitute. The shell is needed to destroy drones and close cover. The beech hits targets with a 60-80% probability; it has less ammunition. The carapace just needs to cover the beeches, and clean up behind them what went through the protection of the beeches. Only then will air defense be effective.
Plus, against a massive strike, almost no air defense will save.

Do not la / la, the machine guns shoot well, but it does not fire so hot.

No, you yourself think, what is the point of Israel to beat the Shell, if they were toons?

It reminded me of an old Soviet anecdote. The period of the Arab-Israeli war. The USSR supplied the Arabs with surface-to-air missiles. A short time later, a telegram arrives: “We got surface-to-air missiles, point. We are waiting for surface-to-air missiles. But seriously, the Arabs are unimportant warriors. One small Israel in six days cut five leading regional powers into nuts.

So it must be used for its intended purpose. These are different systems for different tasks. The armor works on finishing, this is the last level. The beech is average, and missiles should be transmitted to armor in general by other systems of early warning. They were not created at all against airplanes.

ONLY ONE PERSON MAY GIVE A TEAM FOR DESTRUCTION OF AVIATION IN RUSSIA ... BUT WHO SAME SHOOTS AT RELATIVES ... BECAUSE AND IS SILENT WITH 300 ...

These are complexes of the same class.
It's just that Pantsyr has a completely useless gun, which he can shoot only from a stationary position. The beech has rocket launchers right on the move.

In general, at least during the design of the Tunguska, requirements were set for the destruction of missiles (and the Pantsir essentially inherits the Tunguska, except for the weaker artillery unit). Another question is that this is not their main profile, and the performance characteristics of the Pantsir are still clearly insufficient for effective use as, in fact, the only echelon of missile defense.

Um .. And what is it that complexes of completely different weight categories? Anti-aircraft cannons are suitable only against attack aircraft, helicopters and drones.

Israeli friends should put a modest monument from the Moscow Region for the opportunity to get acquainted with the performance characteristics of their best systems in the world. Free, plenty and 24/7/365.

I wonder if the Syrians themselves know about this? According to the author, in a day, the Syrians abandon the "shells", then the S-300. It turns out that they did not refuse, but simply reload after the next Israeli air raid, almost always from abroad.

they are afraid to shoot down planes, otherwise the war is real, therefore only missiles are shot down. Type passive war is better than active.

Yes, right! Fiction again.

military electronics livelier than the living))), do not write about what you do not know)

Why shoot down many missiles when you can shoot down several planes that release them? Well, if they knock down two, but everyone wants to live ?! And they will always shoot down missiles.

It seems Trump's tomahawks shot down dozens of shells in dozens, and what happened now?

Arranged from the country a military training ground, to the delight of you sofa theoreticians.

The author forgot to mention that the air defense installations were served by combat crews consisting of Arabs.
And everything falls into place.

what do you argue about; has your electronics been killed for a long time or is it again a fiction?

100% agree !!! The ignoramus was planted for serious systems and that’s the result, the equipment has nothing to do with it!

Malfunction No. 1 - forgot to turn it on!

It proves once again that the main part of any weapon is the head of its owner (Two fighters)

Scrap metal does not work and the armor works.

Many opponents correctly express the idea that the defense should be echeloned. The second question is to ensure timely reloading of systems, which can be even more important than separation, because the initiative to conduct combat in air defense belongs to the attacking side, but the response of anti-aircraft gunners can simply be delayed or false. It’s like snipers. Therefore, the support of other neighbors who would fix it is important here. It’s easier to say that there is a war of intellects, and the one that is above simply wins. This is what designers need to consider. This could be observed during the Vietnam War.

No problems! Just tell me, they will repeat it with pleasure.)))

All that is needed there, believe me, it works, but what does not work is simply turned off, because it is necessary.

All .... I repeat all your scrap ........ just .......... scrap!

Designers will have the science of how to upgrade products!

The armor picks up targets such as an aircraft for a maximum of 40 km, and if the target is inconspicuous and even less, but at short distances it works in an automatic mode, but it is necessary that the shells and missiles remain on the codlet of the target, and not so the Jews will release false targets that are clearly visible on the radar, "Pantsyr" will shoot its ammunition and they straighten out like a dead chicken. You still need to be able to fight.

it’s clear that ZRPK “Shell-S” is actually cartoonish

Complete nonsense. Somewhere I heard a ringing, about which I do not know. If only the heading was louder. There is the concept of layered defense. And just shell in melee is good. And his missiles are very different from the same Buk. The author read the materiel !!!

The Jews themselves write these stories. Im shell, like a bone in the throat. Nonsense from beginning to end.

At the expense of nonsense, what they write is the radius of the defeat such - then this is complete nonsense. I looked at the calculations of the flight paths of the rocket with examples of their use in certain terrain, here the overestimation of flight range was clearly shown. If the terrain is mountainous, it is difficult to aim the rocket, since it’s flight takes into account the envelope of mountains, hills, etc., this will lose range and accuracy, these are not my inventions, but the analysis of experienced ballistics with graphs, trajectories, drawings, so that in TTX one thing is written, but in practice it turns out another, and Syria is a good training ground.

In the hands of Aboriginal people, any technology will be a wooden stick.
The word defense system is not translated into Arabic.

Thank you Israel for testing our SMSs in combat conditions. Repeat another one more time. to consolidate "their" success. :)))

You can’t switch from shell to beech, as these are links of one chain of layered air defense. One of any air defense systems cannot stand in the field, only in a complex!

another nonsense, the shell of Thor’s radius of destruction is only 20 km, it may stupidly not get a rocket, but if the rocket entered the affected zone it will destroy 100%

The carapace is a short-range cover. The complex needs to be protected. Different frontiers and technologies.

This is quite expected. Unfortunately, the praised Pantsyr failed. But there is a Buk, also Russian. Now the Israeli Air Force will not be easy ...

They are free riders. Not every rocket will take them.

"... and the already proven Buk-M2E system, which has previously proven its effectiveness in the fight against Turkish stowaways and missiles."
- What about us? - Turkish rioters were indignant