Modern military operation is carried out in the following way: suppression of air defense, the conquest of air superiority, the destruction of more or less large objects (warehouses, weapons and military equipment, infrastructure) of the enemy by means of bombing and artillery, the destruction of enemy fortifications by tactical aviation and armored units, and here only now the territory takes territory under control.

You, what? Did not you understand that you contacted the gypsies? LAUGHING OUT LOUD!!!!!!
They do not need a horse! They need new horseshoes !!!
They will lead the horse elsewhere !!! ...

I worked for five years Delhi is corrupt people.

The price is knocked down

Anatoly should not be confused with 24 with an 27 bomber with a fighter. Do not know about planes so keep quiet. For the smart you go. SU-27 has not been knocked down yet. And they will not be able to do it soon. And in general by that time they will not fly them will write off as morally obsolete that's all.

Where are the Indians right? Have you at least read their arguments? And about "electronics" you wrote as a schoolboy - you know nothing. In matters of Avionics and all other weapons - Russia is not inferior to anyone, and in a number of positions ahead !!!

what does the "running soldiers" have to do with it?

Analotolius, where is this SU-27 shot down? In your there muhosranske beyond the borders of the Russian Federation, it is possible that there are no machines, brains and people. Or are you from the herd which still thinks that Armata is made of plywood, PAKFA does not fly and the bridge across the Kerch Strait is a trick of Mosfilm ???

TTX is higher, maneuverability is better, the price is cheaper, what else is needed from the plane. Do not like do not eat what problems? They want to choke, so in the first battle we will see! Training, do you want to start?

Hindus took offense, did not sell them technology for 5 rupees and SU-57 no one gave them and will not give for testing. For them raptors are the limit of dreams, so let them buy ... the recent scandal with submarines, showed that they deserve only the outdated technique. 57 for them XXV century

I can not understand why we need to humble ourselves before India. It's not the first time that it's fooling us. Do not want to buy our weapons, military equipment - do not sell them. And not only airplanes, but also anti-aircraft weapons. It is better to give priority to arms trade to Pakistan.

Indian generals?))) So no one in the world knows what these planes are capable of?)) Only we know! 4 airplane appeared in Syria, and already such a panic)) And what is India producing?)) Our tanks, our air defense, our planes are all almost Russian!

Well, don’t like it, let it be taken from America! What’s the problem? The price of the market for products is regulated by the expiration date and quality! Today the price is one, and then if you suddenly decide which is better than ours, then you can add for quality, but not more expensive than the US !Something like this!

My applause for your post. I think so too.

agree

What did he show? What you need 2 ZRK to cover the column. Everyone shows you not the right war. Let the present order arrive and not the combined detachments, but the division, be allowed into the battle. It is the division. Difference understanding? The fact that an infantryman. Yes. Rockets do not cancel the infantryman.

SPO-system warning about radiation is still from the time of the king of pea. Usually on the left on the dashboard. Even on the MiG-19 began to put

How can you produce something, which requires huge production, human, intellectual resources, but that no one knows about it, even the military. And I did not see any electronics, either machine-tool construction or metalworking. Well, how can a person live in a backward village and produce a modern gadget. In 2013, drones were purchased in Israel and suddenly in three years the aircraft industry has grown to the world level, yes, there, we are ahead of the whole planet. SU27 is knocked down because it can not determine its location and plus can not hear warnings about the attack, let alone a rocket flying into it and then in a year our air force is the best. Shkolota, or underdevelopment, can not be explained any more.

Hindus are playing a dangerous game. This is troubling Americans. Everything is clear here. But ours must also make a decision! And not in favor of India, it seems. Comparison of the cost of F-35 and Su-57 is all the same, that MiG - 29 compare with Su-27 !!! 35 is an EASY Fighter, and 22 is HEAVY. And he is the competitor of Su-57. And its value from 150 million Hindus must be sent. And work with Pakistan.

a man who worked in India told me that if you take a cobra and a Hindu in the jungle, then first kill the Hindu.

Indian generals sound like land fish)))

You can understand the Indians, they want to bring down the price. And in this case, all the tricks are good. The Russians are proposing joint development, while the Americans will only sell and the price is unlikely to fall. In such cases, all the salt is in the service, it is here that the Americans will "win back". You can buy from them for "three kopecks", and the service will cost millions differently ...

Five points!!! One adequate answer. Amerikosovsky f22 in maneuverability and altitude of flight can not be compared, but he discovers the purpose much earlier, releases a rocket and leaves the next combat mission.

Metko, straight to the bull's-eye!

Su-25 army stormskin from her birth is a warning from radiation.

Regarding the Vietnam Dump: I am "touched" when on TV our soldiers run to the attack, shoot from a machine gun, and behind an infantry fighting vehicle or a tank creeps. One would like to ask: you will repel an attack from which country SO? From the east or west? Now other technologies of war, and the strike by the US Army on Wagner showed this

Hindus together with the plane wanted to get all the documentation for its production! The plane costs 100 million, and its development will pull by a billion! At us, at Russian, in that case speak - on artful ass there is a member with the screw! Let them try to breed the Americans!

I hope our children have the intellect enough not to transfer the technology to this hit ap.

On old Windows (up to 95-98 series, they still kept DOS) I played on the F-22 simulator, practically not Russified. For 2 years I mastered all the actions, I even made landings almost flawlessly. But what struck me was that this simulator recognized an attack from the rear hemisphere only 5-7 km away. So I learned to dodge the B-B class in a short time, but for the most part - unsuccessfully. It was easier to maneuver when landing than to defend against rear or lateral angular guidance. I will not describe other characteristics for a long time. But then I concluded that the ANNOUNCEMENT by Americans of the newest on the then F-22 via CD was rude, pale and aimed only at intimidating (with propaganda together) us and their other "enemies and friends."

All that is below and above is the opinions of amateurs. Those who studied at the Moscow Aviation Institute know that right now, all planes and rockets "fly on engines" - this means the turbine decides everything. The Pindos have not yet learned to stabilize the pitch and thrust vector at low thrust, with the exception of vertical takeoff.
No one will fight at an excessively low speed - what about maneuverability and comparison with the tricks. War is not a circus. Wins who flew quickly to point A and fired a missile into the enemy. Next, the EW decides

Dear, but nothing so that your Raptor is still a soviet development of the Mig ... Just with the collapse of the USSR, the documentation for this promising fighter unexpectedly suddenly disappeared and then suddenly surfaced at the Pindos, with their work on their own development ... That's the story you need to know

In India, there are very few Indians. Most Arabs are there, and they make up the wealthiest part.
And about the article, pay attention to the fact that after the president's message, articles about the flawedness of Russian weapons fell from the tub. If so, that they were silent before? I am sure that this is an attempt to dump the information effect and at least somehow to recoup

India wanted to provide the full right to documentation on the 5-generation aircraft and later, of course, independent production. But after the refusal of course it was not nice to say that he is not promising and generally put the sticks in the wheel. F-35 they generally can only see in a dream at home on bases. The US even sells it to NATO without disclosing access codes to control the aircraft, which makes it just dangerous to use. After all, for your money, the plane can fight against you.

Hindus want to get world technology worth $ 1 trillion (according to F-35) for five billion dollars, under a contract that many years obscure and do not sign - a rogue!

You are right, the Americans have already spent more than a billion dollars on the development of the F-35, and the Indians wanted to get the latest technologies for 5 billion "for a fool", and they didn't even sign the contract.

in fact: in real combat, two seconds 29 were shot down by F16. The Indians have the right speed and maneuverability - the last century, this does not solve the outcome of the battle ..

Su 25 front-line bomber. He can not both evade the missile, let alone speed off. And before that, they did not even have a warning system for radiation, which led to the tragedy.

The thing is that SU-57 and SU-57 for export have different stuffing and are made of different composite materials ...

Super-maneuverability for close-range combat? Dog dumps of the times of Vietnam? Ability to dodge missiles through super-maneuverability? Now other times. First of all, the range of detection of the target by the radar + the ability of the on-board electronics to escort and point weapons to several targets + radar detection systems for the enemy radar. missiles air - air of long range (the cannon does not shoot so much) allow not to approach each other to the distance of close combat. The rocket does not need to get into the plane itself - it explodes, flying alongside it. For dodging missiles, in addition to super-maneuverability, there is still need for traction, so that the engines can realize the capabilities of the airframe by super-maneuverability + reliability and a long service life, for work under such loads. Shapkozakisdatelstvo dearly cost our country. That in the Russian-Japanese, that in the Soviet-Finnish. And in those days, our country was economically stronger than the enemy. Now it is enough to stop the supply of imported components and components from abroad to complicate the work of industry, transport, and energy of the Russian Federation (the share of imports in equipment is high).

all oche just .. just like with the ships ordered in Kaliningrad ... want to cheaper to buy high-quality products. I think that it's not worth bargaining with safety. and if it's gone! then India needs to buy American technology. so, and the whole problem ...

I agree completely. Only when the real battle takes place, it will be too late to correct something.

And why the heck do we have a joint program with the Indians to build a 5th generation Indian aircraft? They are smart themselves, the floor of the Silicon Valley is Indians. Well, let them build their own plane based on the F-35. Otherwise, sell them cheap planes, or they will buy them in France. Give them technology, or the Americans will give them. And in the end, they will merge all the information with our potential opponents for greens. Yes, with such "friends" we do not need enemies.

Su-57 is no better than F-35 and worse than F-22 because it is faster and more maneuverable with approximately the same weapons.

It's like that .. In the review of the article it says that our plane is more expensive than the American .. And then the figures are called .. According to which, it follows that our opposite is cheaper than American CONTRADICTION !!!!! .. Yes, and the article does not specify the parameters .. the American model excels us .. It may well be that we have not agreed on purely practical issues ..

Not surprised by the article in the INDIAN yellow newspaper! Moreover, considering that the Yankees are luring the Indians over to their side - both as tight wallets and as geopolitical "partners". How, in such a situation, not to pour over rivals! And if the Indians resist, the Yankees have a "color" revolution in their bosom. "Democratic", of course!))

And why they insisted on the transfer of technical documentation, they were shaved off, and they squeaked the same allies as China themselves can not create anything but a parody of blindness.

You are behind in the knowledge of programmers in Russia, the best in the world, the iron is not bad, and certainly better than they used in Ф22 and Ф35 they found a lot of Chinese counterfeit scandal eerie. In Russia, their chips are solid and KNOW HOW fully, just before you do not report. Not there you collect.

According to international experts in the field of armaments, Ф15 and Ф16 are opponents only for Mig 21, 23 moment, 27 instant, Su 7Б and other non-fighters of the former union. And do not combine the competition for the Mom 29, 27 XU, 30 Su, and 33 Su Might, and 35 Mig, which already build and Su 57 and Ф35 in general a strange half-fighter bug standing in the qualification somewhere between the 4 + fighter and the front bomber with the ability to pilot at the 3 fighter level generation and sooo raw software.

Yes lana! And nothing, that SU-57 still has 4 ++ engines ??? And yet it does not "smell" of 5th generation engines in the series !!!

Hindus-people and just people who surpassed the treachery, lies and meanness of the Arabs with zashkalivayuschim conceit ... Believe the Hindu, do not respect ... Just turkeys began what, one they understand the mutant, trying to plant both Russia and the United States and at the same time to weld some kind of gesheft. One word is the country of beggars beggars

Let's not pi pi. Why were our plane shot down in Turkey? Yes, because he is old and weakly maneuverable. A new, high-speed, able to escape from the rocket, the speed will allow you to step aside

Alex has an English name, an unfinished bucket is F-35, and Su-57 has allegedly already used a hyper missile against terrorists, and in the style of writing it resembles the usual liberal pro-Western Gavno. Sorry for the rudeness, it’s a shame for the Russian aircraft industry — the best in the world — the Americans are nearby, but they are second. Good luck scribbler.

On SuNNUMX with limited collaboration of radars

Hindus, our Drying does not as can not yield to the American flying piece of iron

Maneuverability is not for direct combat, but for leaving from under the impact, the cobra for deception radars they see only movements!

I completely agree! Russia produces a finished product capable of waging a confrontation! And the amers have only glider and ambition!

Su-57 already work in Syria, and F-22 even let the working horse of yesterday.

how would you all like it, but Su-57 surpasses all existing planes of the world and this is the answer to American expansion. Not long ago I compared F-16 and it turned out that F-16 after firing off all the weapons and 1 / 2 fuel consumption began to approach its MiG-21 bis

And you are wrong about maneuverability. After the appearance of the air-to-air missiles, our people decided, like you, that there would be no more maneuverable air battles (MVB), which means that guns on the plane were not needed and fighters appeared without guns MiG-21, Su-9, Su-15 , Yak-28. Vietnam and the Middle East showed that after the visual detection of the enemy, the MVB began. as the Pindos say - "dogfight" - a dog dump. Both rockets and cannons were used, and cannon containers began to be hung on the MiG-21. Melee missiles have been developed, such as the R-60, with a minimum launch range of 200 meters. Cannons have already been installed on MiG-23 aircraft, as well as on MiG-29 and Su-27 and all subsequent ones. So now maneuverability is necessary for a fighter, and our melee missiles have become steeper. although in my time as a fighter, the amers had no analogues of our P-60.

I think you are not quite right in assessing the technologies of India. I can say, for example, India produces cell phones that we use ...

Someone who pushes pushes fakes first China now India will not be the same they buy America. Shit that costs a time more expensive and is inferior in all characteristics

Listen, savvy academics / generalissimo, and nothing that Raptor F-22 from 2003 year on alert!?!?
Those. speaking in the most primitive-accessible language: comparing F-22 and SU-57, this is how to compare VAZ-2106 (1976 year of release) and VAZ-21099 (1991 year of release), and, it should be noted, in the aircraft industry, the gap will be more significant than in the automotive industry ...
Those. compare / conduct direct analogies = at least, it is incorrect!
Well, with regards to radio electronics, not to mention microelectronics))))), this is how to compare a medieval arba with the same VAZ-2106 ....))))), and deeply NOT in our favor!
here slipped someone's mind-boggling, in its profundity)))), a comment that, say, the readiness of the Ameri OSX 50% ...))))), against this background it's scary to imagine what coffee grounds determine the operation of our systems .. ..

I remember, in the sky of Syria, F22, seeing even our Su35, draped from it like a sparrow from a kite! Sami Amerikansky pilots acknowledged the superiority of our aircraft, and here are some kind of ignoramuses who, in that plane (the fighter), never sat around ranting. Clearly, at the dictation of the State Department!

I worked with India a lot. They fight for the cheapening of any purchases for a very long time. And here such scales!
So they use such articles in order to frighten the seller with the loss of the transaction. Nothing new, just business.

Hindus are very fond of bribes, offerings and gold, their brains are turned off when they are offered, and the grasping instinct starts to work, it's not for nothing that England so easily conquered them and enough to beckon some Indian rooster with a green piece of paper, as he begins to do what the lord who tells him dollar - the slave nation

Well, yes, half a century ago there was already such a thing, "what a maneuverable air battle, I saw it on the radar, I fired a rocket, I won," the war in Vietnam and that, the retrograde pilots started chasing each other in the "dump for dogs" and fucking each other with cannons like in the good old days of World War II.

Here some experts spoke about .. "the end of the Soviet backlog" ... not finished .. for a long time enough .. by the way, the Indians have more ancient groundwork ... they speak with the documentation on the "vimans" ... forward crooked ..

Su57 in the melee is an absolute killer. All the rest is rls, rockets, a rake and an onboard complex. Nobody will give our purple friends a full mincemeat in the bundle. Pindos please, but the beta version with the central button off. For ours and their planes are a combat complex integrated into a common system. At whom he can better show only a global collision, and schemes 1x1,2x2 it.d with drying it is better not to meet.

These "generals" were most likely prollocked with cut paper, hence such conversations, they sing diferambs to other weapons from the "Pindostan", so this song has long been heard and the planes have nothing to do with it.

And you ran it, or from the couch of tears and into battle, our work, and the planes were always the best, I'm talking about pilots, without a pilot anywhere.

In the comments, some Prigogine bots write. Compare the model of Su 57 with a real production aircraft Ф 22 and assuage proving that our unfinished bucket is better. CYRK and rzhaka !!!

That is, the Chinese have invented iPhones?

Gypsies are used to the fact that the Soviet Union gave them everything free of charge (very much), in exchange for kissing with Brezhnev and Russia later forgave them for more than 50-T billion dollars, now they think that it will be the same again. However, I'm not sure that our shiziki in power will behave pragmatically and will not start throwing themselves again from the lord's shoulder. We are so rich! Or do so, our so-called elites?

So let the Indians take F35 at 140mln $. Serving 44000 $ per hour. + 50% availability of OSes, software and other shortcomings + obsolescence + clearly weaker than Su57

If you judge our electronics by kitchen appliances, then maybe you are right. But no one knows military electronics, and especially aircraft electronics. If you think that Americans have better electronics, then you are deeply mistaken, because their "brains for electronics" are also Russians. So make no mistake!

Maneuverability and flying qualities are the main things that an airplane should have. Invisibility is bullshit. The aircraft must be visible, but not shot down. And about invisibility it's nice to read Andersen's fairy tale "The Naked King", where the whole essence of invisibility is shown.

Well, if our bad planes - let them buy good where they want. I really did not hear that the stars, along with the airplanes, will give them the technology

The Hindus themselves can not create anything, but they do not want to pay money, and even the current government of the Hindus, looks at the Americans. Remember, they took and, in violation of the treaty, they let the Americans on a submarine rented from us, so that they could study it, tanks t90 then it was normal, then suddenly they became bad, su 57, even according to the characteristics that are now known to surpass the Amerike analogues, and they are all bad, just the guys are trying to Lukashenko and yours and ours for 3 ruble, we are trying to blackmail, they say if the prices are not lower, then we will buy the amers, devils they India devils

Maneuverability is a relic of the past, a showcase for air shows and an advantage for sale. When was the last air battle? The speed of enemy detection and defense is paramount now. The first saw, let-win. And if they worked for you, you need to see it, hear it and take protective measures. Only in the movies is a beautiful air battle, Pugachev's cobra, and so on.

Of course, especially radio electronic systems, EW. And pzhlst specify who's in the ass and how much.

All these publications prove that the plane is actually the best and is head and shoulders above its analogues, there is nothing to say, jealousy and resentment show through (it will no longer be free). Before that, American aircraft were the "unattainable pinnacle" of aircraft construction, but now their maneuverability turns out to be worse, and everything else is the same.

China also said that bullshit and America, here India

It turns out that the US President at the UN Nikki Haley is an ethnic Indian, nee Nimrata Nikki Randhava. That conducts subversion

Andrew, you did not pay attention to the instrumentation of 57?

At all of them not so. Remember the tank battlefield2017. T-90 was ransacked and claimed that it was a bad tank. if the hands grow out of the air, then the planes are also bad.

You saw everything and you know everything. To get started with a sofa, crawl

Flag you in the Hands! Hindus, But when you are bent, Yankees, do not scream like a pig at a meat-packing plant!

Hindus will sell all the secrets to our adversaries, like with a sub!

After meeting with the Secretary of State, India began to refuse Russian technology. It is clear that they were squeezed

Do you really think that the Su-57 masterpiece?
Look at the technique - you'll understand what's what!

IMHO newer than su-24 Indians can not sell, especially after the ugly deal with frigates pr. 11356r, intended for the Black Sea Fleet.

I do not think that the Indians know the whole stuff, except the sounded quick data, the rest is classified, given that the Su 35 Indian Air Force bends all the nato in their exercises, what to say about the new Su 57

Of course, there are no advantages, especially financial ones, for every general making a decision on the purchase of weapons, everyone knows HOW American firms work in promoting their "brand".

Today, the arms market of India has reoriented to the US. Therefore, they listen to the opinion of Uncle Sam, who pays, he orders music. It is clear that SU-57 will be further developed for several years - radical changes in avionics and armaments are possible. I must say Pakistan started - why does the US supply armament to their sworn enemy? Will this situation be used by the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation?

Yes, let them take Rafali and roll them in hangars!
Golimaya policy, although everyone understands that the money for American toys they have in the budget there.

Well, then the Amerikosavsky is better, only here it is impossible for the pilot to breathe for a long time and the anti-overload suit does not work, well, he sends all the secret codes of his own, the stranger to the states, and the cladding flies off during flights.
Let them buy, there are plenty of extra money.
In the Balkans, their invisibles were also better, until they began to shoot down our Soviet kopleks.

And the Americans have a weak spot of electronics, they also lag far behind China in Japan.

Ahaha, but American experts have a slightly different opinion.
Well, okay, you are like a true sofa head-ash-sprinkler, which has not led to any argument, you can continue to do this, just do not show your depression so persistently, it is noticeable.

Colleagues, do you understand where we have multifunctional MICROPROCESSORS? Here I am about the same .... We have one "dviglo" for 8 years and in development and testing. It is clear that the dviglo is not a bucket of rusty bolts ... 36 parts after all. But it's not fools who are working on it, are they? Well, further "smart casing" are different .... Here ishsho and the Hindus should be kicked in the ass. Should they be given the 000th generation of fighters at once? And for the price of 6rd generation? Themselves develop cute, backward gypsies ... They "tejas" hop in time ?. That is it. India is seriously afraid of China, give them equipment that is an order of magnitude steeper than the j-3. That says it all.

india is a free country, not so no. let them buy an American fighter. The main thing: do not reduce the price of a Russian fighter. And the second time will come, the price to add% to 10. A lesson for all free and non-dependent will be good.Dive analysts hello!

The Hindus wanted that, together with Su-57, we would transfer the manufacturing technology to them, that's what they're doing.

Of course there are no advantages! Especially if you have to pay for it and even those. documents do not want to give!

Who has money, he orders music. Giraffe is more visible to him.

Indians generally should not sell modern Russian developments, including aircraft. The slavish attitude to their Anglo-Saxon oppressors will not soon erode from their brains. Do not want our planes? Do not need. Just the Indians decided to stupidly cheat to reduce the cost of purchases. Are they cheaper for you?

What Soviet reserves? All avionics and glider are created from scratch. Hindus just want to wipe Russia at a price. Do not like it, let them buy F-22!

you flew on both connoisseurs?

Soglasen.Vsya this alliance piza.bratia only and wants for free something that hapnut.Hotya if they look at the use of the moment.Edinstvennoe can not stand when after that they begin to yap at Russia.Shavki they are in India

Indians are right to all 100 percent, except maneuverability is all the rest of the trash, and all because science and electronics are in full ass.

Indians conceived the price to knock down and nothing more.

Hindus won not on c-35, but on c-30. The win was once in a dry 10-0 account. The second time with the account 9-1. The English won in the dry. And the win was even when the British in the Troy on their best aircraft attacked one with-30. On the part of the Americans there were f-16 and f-18 the latest upgrade.

Smart-ass, the same as the Chinese who sucked Drying, not without reason, all this and shows their deep zainteresovannost, in this plane, since our aircraft are better and cheaper.

Source - the Air Force. What can we talk about here ?!

Look at all American movies with scenes of space wars. They themselves contradict themselves. In films, the one who has the stronger defense, armament, means of detection and, as it is not trivial, maneuverability (speed, turn, turn, etc.) wins!))) And the principle is released and forgotten, can lead to the saddest consequences!)))

The Hindus are right. Maneuverability, the only advantage.

break like a hulk Hindus ..

Flag in their hands, a drum on their neck. They are very smart-ass "allys" from India, but the point is that it is necessary to bring down the price and it is desirable to give something at all.

Let them fly on their vimans, we can sell birch brooms as a helm.

unfortunately, on this plane Soviet groundwork was over, and practical Indians understand this

By the way, the same Indians did Amers at the exercises in the dry on the SS 35 and in India and in there they had

Let the Hindus first fly to the SU-57 learn. And then really hack it!

Do not want to, do not. Let them fly on trash. The price to shoot down decided, ally ...