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Pilots VKS in Syria complained about the bestial attitude of command


Pilots of the Russian Aerospace Forces group in Syria complained about the terrible attitude of the command.

Despite the fact that the Russian Ministry of Defense denied information about the shortage of military pilots in the ranks of the VKS, today afternoon Telegrams channel "Look man in stripes", published pictures of documents (draft copies), which list the complaints of pilots VKS in Syria, the main of which are complaints about the actions of their superiors.

According to the submitted documents, the main complaints are:

  • Terrible attitude to the flight crews of the higher command of the group;
  • When performing combat missions in the SAR, the flight crew is attracted to unusual tasks - building, checking, cleaning the territory, non-observance of the work and rest standards of the flight crew, which ultimately leads to non-combat losses of the flight crew;
  • The military police in the SAR exceeds the authority, disrespectful of the flight personnel;
  • When performing combat missions in the SAR there is no material incentive to perform combat missions - in the canteen and at the laundress the daily allowance is the same as that of the pilots, although the degree of responsibility is different;
  • In the SAR there is no respect for the work of pilots. Submissions for awards remain without implementation, at the same time, soldiers of combined arms units are awarded every week.

It should be clarified that the information presented relates solely to pilots of the VKS stationed in Syria, and, based on the name of the document, we are obviously talking about a survey on why pilots intend to leave service in the VKS.

The appearance of this document has not yet been commented on either by the command of the VKS of the Russian Federation or the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

What do you want? Serdyukovschina and other pigs now commanders ... Toli still be. What is the commander in chief, such and commanders.

Who serves in the military police and you will understand everything.

Listen to the hero - try in the tractor from 5 in the morning and until late at night jump and smell dust for 10-12т.р. not the second 65 at a salary of more than 45.

But nothing surprised in the complaints of "personnel pilots"? I ask not the "sofa heroes", but those who walked across the sky ... in my opinion, another fake!

Starley biennial (!) Even the general does not dare to humiliate, because he knows that he himself will be immediately humiliated and the guy for it will not do anything. Even depriving 13,14 of money allowances.

That's right, in Syria there are other interests, the pilots there protect the interests of our oligarchs (thieves in law), but not our national interests. In Russia, the oligarchs dragged oil into their pockets and now put their hands on Syrian oil.

I also do not understand the meaning of whining. Life on business trips in the first place lies on the seconded, and this is why bring the servants who were washing and cleaning and washing the dishes behind them? Yes, the home-guard Tiatr at home for the first time wives wipe the floors like spirits and rubbish at one o'clock on the other day to take out another run, and here you are like pale-faced gentlemen to sweep the bulls into the padlu for them and maintain the territory entrusted to them. I have a car for example most expensive at the entrance to the house is, but I’m not at all in the bastard and leave the snow around it and fold it to the front door if there is a lot of pile, at the entrance is full of old people in the morning 6-7, and the janitor in our morning clean 8-9 Begins, Duc, while the machine is warming, it's a sin move a little

And you will join NATO, then not only the pilots will not be needed.

You have not seen them at the airport - this is the territory assigned to OBATO. LTS was occasionally used to clean runways from stones and grass - safety of flights. On the territory assigned to the division, both flight and ITS were cleaned in PCBs. Good luck

And you often do "ku" and a bell tale on the nose! Or understand who commands you!

Geeks of Ukrainians cry and wait. So always and everywhere was.

You, tractor driver, have you ever seen a plane closer to TV screen? This is not a tin can with diesel oil in which you used to sit!

Well, yes - straight pilots chase the plaza - how can you see as building guards like grenadiers - yes, we have better dogs in the yard - don't crap - fly to the boarder - and the navigator plops on the parade - and you went to the boevki - yes Already in Afghanistan, half of our intelligence went to combat in sneakers — and they don’t even think about the same — for each combat departure, the payment on a separate grid — I don’t know how much — but the fact that my neighbor is a technical engineer is the third month in Syria - and the guys Somali pirates went to drive - after the campaign they bought cars in fokin about not getting over them - and about the grass - it wasn’t forcing the tankers to force us, and then the pilots - well, the major or the lieutenant colonel would tweak the grass - don’t make you laugh - and with the military police - it’s rather behind the base’s territory - because they answer for every fool who see the city and for the pilot 100 multiple

With a nod? Pliz link to the article of the Charter of the Internal Service of the RF Armed Forces.

Dmitry where did you find in the complaint the words about "Excess of authority and humiliation by the military police of the SAR!" it says about "exceeding the powers of the police in SAR" and these are HUGE differences ......

Why is everyone "clinging" to this topic of cleaning the territory and "not grasping l / s"? After all, complaints of flight personnel are not only in this! Excess of authority and humiliation by the CAP military police! What kind of ... !!! Whose order is to put pressure on the pilots? Amerikos pilots would try to hurt some military police ATS. I would be curious: What happened to them (the police) then. And what is this disrespect ?! Do not like our VKS - sit down for their bikes, donated from the other side of the trenches, and go !!!!

I confirm. For 15 years of service in the Air Force watched paintings "oil" and pohlesche. And the dumber bureaucrat, the more zealous rushed into the cockpit after landing the aircraft with explanations "but how it was necessary ..." This is ...

With a nod. You can casually and not looking in the direction of the fighter. From personal experience.

Totally agree!

and the quote itself: ... tweeted the grass between the plates, cleaned the papers and leaves on the assigned territory in the execution area of ​​the database? And generally in areas of a DB happened? Ali wrote like la la la. P.S. I will repeat in the area and during the database, and then they will start to inflate cheeks. No, well, those who in the headquarters chambers of the database conducted another question. They tweak weed to prevent stagnation in the pelvic organs is useful.

with a turn at the command post

The runways were not cleaned, and parking was permanent, in winter it was snowing, in summer we had to pinch the grass between the plates, clean up the papers and leaves in the fixed area.

The fundamentals of neglect are laid down in the Statutes Ex. Service Armed Forces. We read the Chapter 2 "On military courtesy .." Chiefs and older, referring to the service to his subordinates and younger, call them by military rank and name. And the Subordinates and Junior, referring to the questions of the service to the chiefs and elders, call them by their military rank. I propose to remove the appeal only by last name, without specifying the military rank, and always speak before the title, comrade. Well, a complete brain explosion is "Outside of order, giving or receiving orders, servicemen are obliged to take a front stand, and when wearing a headdress, put a hand on it and lower it after giving or receiving an order." This is where no end for the work of the Military Police. If you impose a fine on 100 p for not completing this article, give the video to the Military Policeman and pay the premium to the policeman from the 10 penalty, then you yourself understand how much money on our bosses he will earn from whom. and before the Minister))). And such a question. Imagine the situation of a checkpoint are a day-to-day soldier, captain, and the colonel leaving the gates for Uazik — the private gives (to a passing piece of iron) a military salute whether the present officers knowing the charter should do the same. And if they have to, how, according to the charter, should a serviceman sitting in a piece of iron greet them?

Now the army does not have to be a good specialist, they simply do not need !!! Remember the slogan "To learn military affairs - in a real way", and so at the present time it is necessary to serve according to the principle "There is power - mind is not necessary", then you and the class will pay !!! (and nothing that you are a little blunt, the main thing is to run well !) And the technique is maintained in good condition, as a rule, those who are not worthy of classiness !!!!!

And what do veteran crusts give? 2900 additional payment per month, and about the pension, they will remember more than once, this year military pensioners did not add a penny at all, and before that, they compensate each year for a smaller amount than inflation, and in the first years of Putin’s rule, the military’s pension was reduced to cost of living, it is under Medvedev slightly raised

Alexander! You either do not read attentively, or do not “in the subject line”, the talk about cleaning the “territory”, and not the runway (the airfield in your opinion) is one time, and two are the 10 people at the reception site, i.e. the selection criterion, not the number of graduates who are really lacking, and thirdly the flying school, which graduates military pilots in the Russian Federation is only one! And proceeding from the above, it follows that you are not in any way possessing information on the issues under discussion are taken to contradict the facts stated in the letter, i.e. unprofessional troll that's just not clear in whose favor!

Alexander! You either do not read attentively, or do not “in the subject line”, the talk about cleaning the “territory”, and not the runway (the airfield in your opinion) is one time, and two are the 10 people at the reception site, i.e. the selection criterion, not the number of graduates who are really lacking, and thirdly the flying school, which graduates military pilots in the Russian Federation is only one! And proceeding from the above, it follows that you are not in any way possessing information on the issues under discussion are taken to contradict the facts stated in the letter, i.e. unprofessional troll that's just not clear in whose favor!

Guys, some horror stories are telling. In Soviet times, even in the classroom, the former teacher clever head went to the political department, the colonel came and talked, and while serving 2, there was not any rudeness or anything else.

I flew from the first day of service to the last day of service .... (20 years) I personally saw how the lieutenant colonel was addressed with the words: “You are here to go!” and it was not once ... we climbed into the cabin and tried to lead ... and the drill was engaged and the territory was cleaned ..... nothing has changed !!!!

Another story from the series "I am the daughter of an officer."

Guys ... do you seriously believe that Serdyukov is to blame for the collapse of the army?

I confirm, from the words of the pilot of the helicopter - "I have been given a combat mission, I urgently need to go on the sortie, and the pilot-pilot marches a degree heat on the parachute in 40, for not fitting socks.

It is a pity if this happens. And God forbid, if somewhere, there will be a serious conflict. That's when all the foam comes up. I’m probably lucky. Maybe because I was surrounded by commanders who got to Berlin.

This bestiality has long been the norm ... So surely in the northern fleet ... But everyone is silent because there is nowhere to work .... I would give up the hara and leave ... And so you have to endure ... So this is a tale from the TV about the army and navy is a blatant lie !!! Neither the experts nor the materiel of the new ... EVERYTHING is a lie !!!

But my battalion commander had the honor of an officer and courage on the parade ground to tell the regiment commander that he would stop violating the charter and humiliate the two-year-old leader in front of officers and soldiers.

You are speaking the truth!

I am the commander of the airfield-operational company! I served in the past century. Never did the flight crew take part in cleaning the runway and other facilities of the airfield !!! PILOTS IS "WHITE BONE" !!!

this is called information war

In flight military schools of Russia competition 10 people into place. And then some nonsense is written about the lack of pilots. And what is there to clean the flight structure at the airport? I worked for 20 for years at a military airfield - there everything is swept by special machines. Behind the wheel they are trained soldiers, not pilots.

And I believe ... Aplomb and outright rudeness among the commanders are many ... Especially the "hereditary" (who are supervised and promoted by the fathers) and stupid (but decisive) ... And there are usually no complaints about the service ... the spirit is not tolerated injustice ...

I do not believe, fake and an attempt to descride the command of the RF Armed Forces

I agree completely ... a contract ... it means there is an element of commercial interest ... and there is a risk for life too .. then wrinkle your ass ... you have to pay how you need it to be that everything according to your conscience ...!

Serdyukovskaya rot is still apparently smoldering in the troops .... apparently it was boiling at the combat crews .... but snot should not be allowed the same way as the extra borzota of the senior in rank, but with money, of course, you have to decide for what and how much, especially for combat business in a foreign land ... there is no Motherland, if not cool, other interests are there, even though they were sent there to the service from the Motherland ...

Oh, this is what bread slicer thinks?

I have the honor not only officers!

I am sure that this is a senior command, receives awards for them. Passed it in Afghanistan. And to force the pilots to sweep the streets, this is insanity. I flew then to AN-12. him To my objections that he would die in a sealed cabin, he did not want to react. I had to send him to hell. They poured and left.

Serge - not loot - you would stand when an officer would obscenely shout at you when you were building, because you didn’t do it, but your boss didn’t figure it out and the elder boss allowed himself that !? That is - and there it is very often and a little bit, that - immediately a threat of dismissal! The same situation is with holiday-makers in the DNR-LNR - so they generally don’t feel the ground under their feet ... The phrase - Do not worry - your women still give birth to meat - these are just flowers in dealing with the military of these republics! Yes, maybe these military and stupid, so they are not because they do not want to learn, but because no one teaches them!

Endure all the burdens and deprivations of military service !!!
And then some soslezhuy look different. Bullshit you and not an officer if you let snot. You have no right to say "I have the honor"
Previously, the idea was, but now one loot in the eyes.

Dmitriy, you are just DIFFERENT! Try to bring the brain of a major to the sergeant’s headmaster and a lip with a sergean girdle. The sergeant can call the officer of the interim government who can detain the officer and send him to the commandant's office with a report.

"cleaning of the territory" is some kind of nonsense! the flight crew is officers, getting them to clean the territory is not realistic. in which case - a report on the table and bye, bye.
"The military police in the SAR exceeds the authority, disrespectful of the flight personnel" is generally bullshit! In case of illegal actions, the Interim Police can detain the officer and transfer him to the commandant's office with a report where they will investigate.

Provocative complaints. There will be no order in front units without checks and constructions (especially from those sent). And the outfit is the outfit, no matter who you are. And the surcharges go only for the combat, and so all the travelers.

Afghan talker. My brother went through semi-annual training before he got into the 1-th mang group in Afghanistan. And he fought there for almost a year and a half. And redeemed 4 of the month. And for all this time the minimum loss, but not cannon fodder. And they served not for fear, but for conscience. And with pride I can say: "I have the honor!" Messrs. officers. In our time there were comrades officers.

Umnichka! I agree to all 100%. I myself am a former officer of the Strategic Missile Forces

What are you, "Afghan"? I found myself a nickname provocateur fucking. You, bitch, pimply sitting somewhere in America, and peck the keys for the greens from the CIA. If you were in Russia, I would hang you by the balls for being called "Afghan".

Are you an idiot finished or a provocateur.

It seems that you should believe "complaints". There is more like the truth. These "sores" of the army are not only in the SAR, they are in Russia too.

Brother, well, what duty have we done? We were thrown into slaughter as slaves. There were no brains yet, but was called up at the SAVO military registration and enlistment office. They asked: do you know karate, did you go to the flying club? And the direct road to hell. My grandfather in Kursk was killed and I am proud of him. And I don't want to tell my grandchildren anything.
But I want their opinions to be considered, this is not whining.

In the army a mess, and window dressing with photo reports. And in SAR it is squared, if not in a cube! There the majors go to the sergeant positions to get the veteran's heads and crusts, naturally this major will not perform the functional duties of the sergeant position! Military police is the apotheosis of army marasmus, where a sergeant of the military police, whose milk on his lips is not dry, can approach a military officer, for example, a lieutenant colonel, and at all begin to take out his brain for not quite exactly chevron or light unsightly. I can say one thing about the mode of rest of the flight crew: Violation of this mode directly affects flight safety! This is about building and other work.

Therefore, I believe that information from documents can be trusted!

Previously, they served more for the idea, and now - a contract. Do not take into account the realities, comrade.

The document is drawn on a soft piece of paper right away!

When transferred to the reserve, they and the pension will receive half-cut as all servicemen, so the robbery will not end.

Most of the claims seem to be made by a man very far from the army. Since when is the construction and verification of "uncharacteristic tasks" for the military? Why should the “daily allowance” of a pilot be higher than that of a front officer? The per diem is the same travel allowance, and for combat work, he receives a double salary according to his position. And about the military police and awards in general, it seems like a teenager's complaints.

A civilian pilot in China gets 10 000-12 000 dollars, even in Aeroflot about 6 000. Lieutenant colonels fly in Syria, there are few young pilots and there will be even fewer with such pillows. So let's get the money - pierce a new hole on the belt.

Cleaning up the territory is already overkill, and the fact that they award those who have always been closer to the authorities has always been like that, at all times ... for the attack ... and for the cold, the red star .. we did not invent

Not surprised. In the MO there are bureaucrats-nomenklatura, capable of "cutting" the headstock and raising the belly. This trash was at all times ...

Guys! In Afghanistan, we also had constructions, and reviews, and combat exits and sorties, and the salary was not shared by participants in the hostilities and those who were in the rear. And we did not cry, we did our duty. And you whine, it means no place for you in the armed forces.

Something I can not believe. Although our officials still can not expect this.

In Russia, only Licking is valued, but HEROES only need the dead! The Kremlin needs to be bombed, not Syria!

All this is true, and now imagine how they relate to the military in Russia ...

We need to take foreign pilots so that ours have a healthy competition and then there will be no complaints

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