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In the media about the Milev projects on high-speed helicopters, information is given that is popularly called “noodles”, say, how the Mi-24 LL will soon fly at a speed not seen before: “The developers of high-speed helicopters are only approaching the speed of 500 km / h. Thus, a flying laboratory based on the Mi-24 with an ultra-modern propeller approached the speed of 450 km / h " ("Free Press". "KB Kamov and Mile storming records, challenging" Sikorsky "," Victor Tuchkov).  

In fact, this cool Mi-24 LL does not “come close to speed in 450 / h.” Even in a dream, “though scree its stars” along with “with an ultra-modern screw”!

I propose to look at the possibilities of these, sorry for the expression, high-speed “projects” from the cost center through LTH of the American X-49A analogue, which for a long time, but so far has unsuccessfully made its way into high-speed helicopters, besides, it has, unlike the Mi-24LL tail - pushing screw!

 “The first flight of the Pyasetsky X-49A performed 29 June 2007 of the year.

The maximum speed is 415 km / h.

Cruising speed - 383 km / h.

Practical range - 700 km.            

Practical ceiling - 5790 m. "

Most likely V.Tuchkov is not aware of this helicopter, but the designers of the MVZ have been in the know for a long time, however, information about the fabulous “prospects” of the Mi-X1 and Mi-24LL continue to be produced on the Internet in an endless stream.

After reading such technical nonsense, then you don't immediately believe in a truthful article, and even if it comes from the American magazine Defense Blog. So I doubted the sincerity of this magazine on the combat helicopter (PBV) of the Kamov company. Then I found in our Science and Technology a more detailed description, but with more intelligible drawings, then away with doubts - this is really a real project of a modern combat helicopter!

Now the main thing is not to block the road with false projects like Mi-X1, as it was done before with real high-tech projects, sending all finances to it and leaving our helicopter aviation today without high-speed helicopters.

Is the role of the President not clear in this matter? Why do our pilots continue to fly the half-century Mi-8 when more modern helicopters have long been available to replace them? high-speed projects Ka-92 and Ka-102 should already be in the hardware. Since 2004, after the Mi-6 helicopter, the niche of helicopters with a carrying capacity of 8-12 tons has been empty. - this is the niche of the Ka-102 helicopter, where it is replaced by the expensive Mi-26. The Ka-92 and Ka-102 helicopters assume a cruising speed of 420k / h. and a flight range of up to 1400 km, i.e. something that is very much required today both for the army and for offshore flights.

I believe that this time V.V. Putin, as the Commander-in-Chief constantly calling for high technologies, will take the development of these projects under personal control, confirming his appeals with a sincere desire to make our aircraft, in particular helicopter, really high-tech!

I remember, for the removal of the outstanding attack helicopter Ka-50 “Black Shark”, the Mil constructors speculated it with one-one, but in this project a high-speed helicopter is offered immediately two-seater, and even in two versions: attack and transport-landing, so now the military has what to choose and what to choose! And if such a helicopter is offered by General Designer Sergey Viktorovich Mikheev, then it will be real and it will be that way or better! Proof of this: the Ka-50 "Black Shark", the best in the world, the Ka-52 "Alligator" and the passenger Ka-62.

Cases of bygone days, Projects of antiquity deep ... (almost according to Pushkin).

Kamovtsvamy repeatedly proposed modern helicopter projects and not only projects, but also a ready-made Ka-22 flying rotorcraft with Vmax = 350k / h, which reached a speed of 370k / h in test flights. For that time, these were very high speeds (world speed record for the Mi-6 in 1959 = 262,92 k / h), while it should be borne in mind that the Ka-22 was designed for more powerful engines that would provide it with higher speeds ... Another feature of it was the presence of large wings, which probably was the reason for the wings of the PBV project.

“When in 1962, Nikolai Ilyich Kamov defended his doctoral dissertation on the totality of work performed, Mikhail Leontyevich Mil said that he was worthy of this degree“ for one rotorcraft ”—the Ka-22 was such a high-tech at the time.

And “At the end of 60's. Kamovians proposed a fundamentally new project of the B-50 combat helicopter. The development was conducted under the direction of Deputy Chief Designer I.A. Erlich, who at one time created the well-known Yak-24 longitudinal helicopter. The B-50 should have had a longitudinal arrangement of rotors. The estimated speed of the car was 400 km / h ".

In the next decade, the B-100 cross-section attack aircraft were proposed to the military.

"It was assumed that with a combat load in 3000 kg, he will be able to fly at a speed of 450 km / h to a height of 6500 m and have a range of 700 km

The project, which was distinguished by a high degree of novelty of technical solutions and extraordinary high performance, was presented to the customer in 1975. But, although it was highly appreciated, it was not implemented - mainly due to the unsatisfactory weight and size characteristics of the devices of such a scheme. ” ("Aviastar").

How would these helicopters come in handy today in Syria and how far did SV then see? Mikheev, because the helicopters in Syria were mainly used by attack aircraft on previously-explored targets.

Thus, their design experience was accumulated both in terms of high speeds and the appearance of combat helicopters, the design features of aircraft for solving specific tasks; therefore, the large wings of the high-speed PBBs offered today are already practically run-in on the Ka-22 and the flight characteristics of such a helicopter will fully correspond to the tasks before it; and from the famous "Alligator" he will inherit unsurpassed maneuverability.

Once Tupolev showed model aircraft. “No, he won't fly,” he appreciated the look. - “Why?” - “The model is ugly. Ugly airplanes do not fly ”(vpk.name).

And this Kamov PBV is more like a modern fighter than just a helicopter, it means that it will not just fly well, but very good!

And what about the cost center designers?

Yes, all the same promises: "In Russia, especially for the Airborne Forces are going to create a" helicopter airborne assault vehicle ", the first prototypes of the new helicopter must go to the troops in 2026 year. Sergei Romanenko, who is the executive director of the Moscow Mil Helicopter Plant, told journalists about this.

He also said that according to the plan, development work on the new helicopter will begin in the 2019 year, and the army will receive the first prototypes in the 2026 year.

So, according to Sergey Romanenko, Mil Design Bureau is actively developing new modifications of the legendary Mi-8 helicopter in the interests of the Russian Airborne Forces. In particular, the Mi-8AMTSH-VN helicopter is being created specifically for the Airborne Forces, whose mass production is planned to be launched already in the 2020 year. The prototype of the new helicopter was shown at the closed exposition of the Army-2018 forum.

Romanenko noted that PJSC Russian Helicopters is working on the creation of a new landing helicopter based on the Mi-8AMTSh - Mi-8AMTSh-VN on an initiative basis. It is planned to create two helicopters on the basis of the famous machine, which has proven itself very well during the hostilities in Syria. ("A Helicopter Airborne Combat Vehicle Will Be Created for the Airborne Forces," Army News).

So, the future of the Mi helicopters is again foggy, and our Air Force and Airborne Forces will continue to be replenished by the same helicopters from the Stone Age, only with a longer set of letters at the back: Mi-8AMTSH-VN. And this is despite the fact that it has long been possible to replace the Mi-8 with the Ka-32-10AG, which is much better suited for the Airborne Forces, and for the Air Force, and for civilian exploiters, especially when working with a load on an external suspension, but that does not require for this big financial investment and time. The helicopter is commensurate in size with the fuselage of the Mi-8, but much smaller, more maneuverable, much safer when landing and more comfortable when removing troops from the battlefield; exceeds the Mi-8 in speed and power reserve, which the Mi helicopters in Afghanistan really lacked:

“The most difficult flights were carried out to provide high-mountain outposts and reconnaissance posts that controlled passes and roads. In order to throw food, fuel, ammunition and ordinary water there, the Mi-8 was extremely lightened by removing armor, suspension trusses, some equipment, seats in the cargo compartment, and sometimes even weapons and cargo hatch doors. A "stripped" helicopter could gain an extra couple of hundred meters in height, but often there was nowhere to land, and the car had to be held in weight, leaning against a rock ledge with one wheel, while cargo was thrown out of the cabin and people were received. Sometimes, after accelerating to a high-altitude area, the helicopter could no longer take off normally. In this case, the stall technique was worked out, in which the helicopter slid down, gained sufficient speed in the fall and went into horizontal flight. Once captain Kabdulin managed to pick up 30 people blocked at the summit at once, explaining later that he simply could not climb to this platform a second time " (Victor Markovsky. From the book "The hot sky of Afghanistan. Mi-8 helicopters").

The Ka-29 helicopter of the coaxial scheme already in that war had a static ceiling (max. Hovering height) on the 1000. more than the Mi-8 with the same engines (3600м. instead of 2600м. Mi-8), but it was not suitable for the transport of troops, because he has the height of the cargo compartment is 1,3м., and the Mi-8, respectively, 1,8м. At Ka-32-10AG and Mi-8, these values ​​are commensurate, so it seems very strange that the troops are still not deployed by reliable and maneuverable Kamov helicopters, but by long-obsolete Mi-8 helicopters. 

Vitalii Belyaev specifically for Avia.pro

Do not swear. I served on Milevsky machines, but by the will of fate I work for Ka. My opinion, Ka safer. In general, one type will soon remain - either KaMil or MilKa. By decision of the leadership of Russian Helicopters in the face of an accountant and an effective manager of Barinsky, these companies combine into one. I think that would kill the helicopter structure in Russia and buy foreign.

That's what an amazing thing: In the whole World, the competition is the Engine of Progress! And we, only two KB with all the forces kill each other! Shoot to Lobbyists, both KB, for the wrong approach to their work!

I think that in order to eliminate negative consequences for the domestic helicopter industry, a permanent expert council is needed, which is represented by experts from both design bureaus, plus independent professional analysts engaged in the analysis, including the latest foreign achievements. Let the representatives of both design bureaus, as they say, gnaw at the loss of their pulse, but everyone knows that practice is a criterion of truth, therefore, experimental models of both design bureaus should decide everything. To do this, just a little is needed - to allocate the necessary funds from the state budget for pilot production. The question is whether the current government, crushed by the raw oligarchy and representing its interests, can find these funds. If not, then this situation, when competition is suppressed by personal ambitions and the struggle for money financing, does not give anything good for the country, but only a continuous negative and technical gap from foreign competitors.

For Vlad.
In contrast to the under-state (your), all the bedt of flying, maybe not immediately, but it will be!

Dear Vladimir, I hope that Mi-38 on boulders will be more stable even Mi-8.

I am familiar with the Mi-8 of all modifications, their main drawback is sticking heavy landing gear raising above the ground a dangerous tail rotor. But, unlike Ka-32 on crutches, it will not tip over on a sloping rocky mountain platform, and the stones can be boulders, which is an impermissible luxury for Kamov helicopters.

Crap Kremlin freaks! Only their women and children can be crippled at rallies and tortured in departments. For more can not !!!

Vlad, to see this freak - look in the mirror ....

Vlad Wali ass!

look less zomboyaschik and work more (you can even mouth, if the other does not know how)

Vlad, get on the echo, the animal. There trail offended shit of all stripes.

Dear Mi-8!
I sympathize, truth hurts !.

How do you, V. Belyaev, know so much? You, probably, in Afghanistan or in some other war in the cockpit of the Mi-8 fought? Or did you go to the columns on the "hunchback"? Blokher you are a sofa, you sit on a zakaznyak in the Kamov bureau. Instead of a moderator of the resource, you would need to enter a catapult button for your kind.

Humpback, and not a crocodile is only in the automatic reclosing system, are you from our office?

Thank you, and then right hands itched to smack him.

Mi-8, I do not know where you sit in what KB or not in KB. But tell me, which MILE helicopter is superior to the KA-50? Not what !!!! And the pilots who flew in the MILEV machines and the Kamovskies testing, say that it is much easier to control the latter, and it surpasses the MILE machines in the performance characteristics Mile lobby does not allow to turn around to Kamovsky KB. GDP is not Stalin and poorly versed in technology, so it is hardly worth waiting for a breakthrough!

And what is there not clear in the dispute between the CA and MI !? Just MI well bashyat anyone who needs in the Ministry of Defense - from there and all ,, tail ,, ,,

that's for sure! Avionics have a mile of shit. The stone is better in order. When they did the night tests of a night hunter and an alligator, the hunter failed this case. weak avionics. Alligator was a cut above.

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